Does morality exist without God?

[Insane_Duck]

Unpossible



Said contraction still needs a cause.



You mean, like, God?

1. No, it's very possible. Almost every cosmologist out there disagrees with you.
2. Not really, there could be an eternal force that causes eternal expansions and contractions.
3. Like I said (if you had read my other post) God is on par with trillions of other examples. Once you say he's outside of time and space he no longer has to be a God. See computer example above. (other page)

 

[Insane_Duck]

At the quantum level 'Something' and 'Nothing' are not meaningful concepts.
But to answer to your question here its all yours:

I gave up on trying to explain Quantum Mechanics to answer the Cosmological argument a while ago. Quantum Mechanics (and the concepts thereof) are very hard to teach quickly...

 

[sandwiches]

Not so fast there! You just said the Universe is infinite, at least in one direction of time; backwards.

All I agreed to was that all we know of comes from prior matter and energy. So, if that poses a problem of infinite regression, that's not my fault. I'm just (re)stating the fact that nothing we have ever observed comes from anything other than matter and energy bound by the laws of this universe.

 

[mzungu]

I gave up on trying to explain Quantum Mechanics to answer the Cosmological argument a while ago. Quantum Mechanics (and the concepts thereof) are very hard to teach quickly...

Us ducks should flock together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWamxEDcqiQ

 

[razeontherock]

2. Not really, there could be an eternal force that causes eternal expansions and contractions.

You mean, like, GOD.

 

[sandwiches]

You mean, like, GOD.

Or unlike God.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You mean, like, GOD.

Yes, like God. Or, alternatively, something very different from God. God is just one possibility, and a small one at that given all the other associated attributes.

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

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typed does GOD have morality





is milk white??

a fly has wings?

 

[selfinflikted]

is milk white??

a fly has wings?

 

[Insane_Duck]

You mean, like, GOD.

... If you had read my post, you would know why God doesn't take precedence over trillions of other ideas. See computer program example.

Are you being willfully ignorant?

 

[Mling]

Yes, like God. Or, alternatively, something very different from God. God is just one possibility, and a small one at that given all the other associated attributes.

While I certainly don't believe either, I'm fond of two hypothesis about the origin of the universe:

One's that a scientist in another universe caused a horrific lab accident which tore open their universe and caused this one. The other is that a god (perhaps the only one, perhaps not, but the only one which is relevant) committed suicide, and the physical universe is composed of the remnants of Its body. (Now that I think about it, it wouldn't have to be suicide, if there were multiple gods fighting.)

Both involve a conscious creator--one a naturally evolved mortal and the other a diety-- but in neither does the creator have any influence on the physics or morality of the universe.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Us ducks should flock together
YouTube - ‪daffy duck‬‏

It's really sad how true that is...

 

[Wiccan_Child]

While I certainly don't believe either, I'm fond of two hypothesis about the origin of the universe:

One's that a scientist in another universe caused a horrific lab accident which tore open their universe and caused this one. The other is that a god (perhaps the only one, perhaps not, but the only one which is relevant) committed suicide, and the physical universe is composed of the remnants of Its body. (Now that I think about it, it wouldn't have to be suicide, if there were multiple gods fighting.)

Both involve a conscious creator--one a naturally evolved mortal and the other a diety-- but in neither does the creator have any influence on the physics or morality of the universe.

I like the universe-is-the-corpse-of-God - it has a very Dungeons and Dragons-y feel to it Maybe the decaying mind of God is what gives rise to the myriad of mini-conciousnesses that is the human race?

 

[Syndromeramo]

Of course morality can occur without religion. Morality varies from people to people, there are good-natured atheists, as well as bad-natured religious.

 

[razeontherock]

Of course morality can occur without religion. Morality varies from people to people, there are good-natured atheists, as well as bad-natured religious.

Ok, who's the wise guy? Any more common sense in here, and I'll be forced to report your posts! It's gotta be against some rule for this sub-forum ...

 

[ToHoldNothing]

I like the universe-is-the-corpse-of-God - it has a very Dungeons and Dragons-y feel to it Maybe the decaying mind of God is what gives rise to the myriad of mini-conciousnesses that is the human race?

I'm reminded of at least two mythologies where the creation of the universe/world is the result of killing a God; 1 being norse mythos where Ymir is killed and his corpse becomes the majority of the universe, excluding a few basic chaotic things. So technically he created the worlds, not the universe itself. 2nd is Babylonian mythology where Tiamat is killed and her body becomes the heavens and the earth, though technically again, she came from/represents primordial chaos, so it's ambivalent exactly what was created from her corpse. There's probably more, I just forget, and I don't have my creation myths text handy

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Nothing exists without God. One can practice morality without believing in God though.

 

[ToHoldNothing]

Because being moral doesn't matter as much as being righteous...which implies that morality's secondary nature to righteousness can therefore be violated to the greater cause of righteousness before God; i.e. killing children, and violating other lesser commandments as long as you love God and love your neighbor. Just makes me terribly unnerved to think people believe that in some shape or form. Perhaps I misunderstand, but then again, ethics is a troubling thing in general when you get into God's relation to it

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

stop


is it necessary

Ok, who's the wise guy? Any more common sense in here, and I'll be forced to report your posts! It's gotta be against some rule for this sub-forum ...

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

can a christian remain faithful even if he or she " is not getting nothing out of it"