Does morality exist without God?

[Tergle]

Give me one. I dare you.

Wow. That is so ignorant that I don't know where to start...

I'm sorry? Excuse me? When was it you say you graduate the 8th grade again?

Of course you don't know where to start.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Mathematically impossible.

But with faith like yours, who needs facts.

Uh... Mathematically? What are you on about?

Unless you can prove that a God needs to exist for the universe to exist, than you my friend are the one that has faith. (FYI, not a good thing)

 

[Tergle]

Uh... Mathematically? What are you on about?

Unless you can prove that a God needs to exist for the universe to exist, than you my friend are the one that has faith. (FYI, not a good thing)

Something cannot come from nothing. I don't need wishful thinking to hang the universe on. Only reality is important to a Christian.

God and a Freethinker were debating. God said "Look I can make a human being out of earth. And He made man in the likeness of God.

The atheist said: "Man, that's easy. The human being is made up of nothing more than chemicals. Any scientist can show you that" And the atheist reached down and went for a handful of dirt.

God said: "Oh no, you make your own earth first."

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Sorry pal, you get zero figures when acted upon by a zero first. It takes a 1 at the beginning to make anything and everything possible.

Look in the mirror for a person of faith.

I'll look to cold hard facts to rest my reality on. You know, I'm a Christian after all.

Serioulsy, the God thing isn't that hard to comprehend if you use your God given intellect.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Something cannot come from nothing. I don't need wishful thinking to hang the universe on. Only reality is important to a Christian.

God and a Freethinker were debating. God said "Look I can make a human being out of earth. And He made man in the likeness of God.

The atheist said: "Man, that's easy. The human being is made up of nothing more than chemicals. Any scientist can show you that" And the atheist reached down and went for a handful of dirt.

God said: "Oh no, you make your own earth first."

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Sorry pal, you get zero figures when acted upon by a zero first. It takes a 1 at the beginning to make anything and everything possible.

Look in the mirror for a person of faith.

I'll look to cold hard facts to rest my reality on. You know, I'm a Christian after all.

Serioulsy, the God thing isn't that hard to comprehend if you use your God given intellect.

Where the earth came from (No God):

History of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Regarding the universe, what scientist told you it ever came from anything?

 

[Insane_Duck]

Oh, and while it is just one person I found on Google, this says more than I can in a post. Please read it, the last 5 paragraphs are especially helpful.

Cosmological Argument: Does the Universe Require a First Cause?

 

[razeontherock]

You obviously do not know your Bible very well:

Sorry but none of your proof texts are saying what you are trying to make them say. Still playing with dolls I see ...

 

[Eudaimonist]

where there is design ooops no designer ?

This is begging the question. Life, for instance, isn't necessarily designed.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Tergle]

Oh, and while it is just one person I found on Google, this says more than I can in a post. Please read it, the last 5 paragraphs are especially helpful.

Cosmological Argument: Does the Universe Require a First Cause?

Seriously? THIS????

Finally, even if a “First Cause” is probable, this doesn’t mean we have proven that God exists. A mere “First Cause” that has apparently done nothing more than cause the Big Bang hardly seems to warrant the label “God.” It isn’t necessarily worth worshipping, revering, or even giving much thought to (Aristotle didn’t conceive of his Prime Mover as something that should be worshipped, much less as the “God” of later Christian tradition).
It also doesn’t necessarily have the qualities normally ascribed to God (omniscience, omnipotence, omnibenevolence) by the people who offer the argument (Christians, Jews, Muslims). The Cosmological Argument doesn’t mean that this god must be alone — a committee is equally believable. It doesn’t even mean that this god is still “alive” or still “exists.” So even if successful, the Cosmological Argument is a failure as an argument for believing in any sort of god worth worrying about.

That's pathetic.

Or rather, stupid:

A mere “First Cause” that has apparently done nothing more than cause the Big Bang hardly . . .

Nothing more than the Big Bang?

Your reference is a joke right?

 

[Insane_Duck]

This is begging the question. Life, for instance, isn't necessarily designed.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Is that what he was saying, I seriously didn't' know. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if he disagreed with you on that.

 

[Tergle]

Dr. Francis Collins seems sure it was designed.

I'm going with science on that.

And the answer to the OP is NO.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Seriously? THIS????




That's pathetic.

Or rather, stupid:



Nothing more than the Big Bang?

Your reference is a joke right?

Hardly, in what ever situation existed before the big bang, it is possible the creator wasn't a God, possibilities, all conjecture:

-God (of any faith)
-Our universe is a computer program where the creator's universe has the capacity to do so.
-The creators live in a universe where making a big bang is easy to accomplish.
-It was an unintended event in a higher reality we can't understand.

Once you start saying things (like my God is outside space and time) it brings him on par with concepts that have no limits like the above. I can make up whatever I want if we start with the presumption that time and space exist only on our level. God isn't more is likely than any of those solutions above, which is why I don't worship extra dimensional programmers.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Dr. Francis Collins seems sure it was designed.

I'm going with science on that.

And the answer to the OP is NO.

Argument from authority.

Watch: Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story' | Science | The Guardian

 

[Insane_Duck]

Note, it's possible that the Universe is eternal, and the big bang was a change in form. Science never said that the big bang came from nothing. So, possibilities:

1. Time and causality mean nothing before Planck time, and the big bang was un-caused.
2. Matter (or rather, energy) existed in another form before the big bang, and just underwent a contraction before an expansion.
3. Numerous deities and other extra dimensional (and extra-time, space, causality, and our-universe-reason) creators (or unintended causes) made the universe.

 

[sandwiches]

Something cannot come from nothing.

Yep. All that exists comes from preexisting matter and energy and is bound by the laws of of our universe. So, I guess God is made of matter and energy and is bound by the laws of our universe.

I don't need wishful thinking to hang the universe on. Only reality is important to a Christian.

God and a Freethinker were debating. God said "Look I can make a human being out of earth. And He made man in the likeness of God.

The atheist said: "Man, that's easy. The human being is made up of nothing more than chemicals. Any scientist can show you that" And the atheist reached down and went for a handful of dirt.

God said: "Oh no, you make your own earth first."

The day a god comes talk to me, is the day I am no longer an atheist. And regardless of who created dirt or the elements, the atheist is still right. Humans are made of nothing but chemicals. What's wrong with that observation? Sounds like the god of that story is a sore loser.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Dr. Francis Collins seems sure it was designed.

I'm going with science on that.

And the answer to the OP is NO.

You're not "going with science".

You're going with someone who commits so many logical fallacies in his declarations of faith that it makes my head spin. A high school critical thinking class could find the faults with his statements in seconds...

And the answer to the OP is so obviously YES that it's laughable...

 

[razeontherock]

Note, it's possible that the Universe is eternal, and the big bang was a change in form. Science never said that the big bang came from nothing. So, possibilities:

1. Time and causality mean nothing before Planck time, and the big bang was un-caused.

Unpossible

2. Matter (or rather, energy) existed in another form before the big bang, and just underwent a contraction before an expansion.

Said contraction still needs a cause.

3. Numerous deities and other extra dimensional (and extra-time, space, causality, and our-universe-reason) creators (or unintended causes) made the universe.

You mean, like, God?

 

[razeontherock]

Yep. All that exists comes from preexisting matter and energy and is bound by the laws of of our universe. So, I guess God is made of matter and energy and is bound by the laws of our universe.

Not so fast there! You just said the Universe is infinite, at least in one direction of time; backwards.

 

[mzungu]

Sorry but none of your proof texts are saying what you are trying to make them say. Still playing with dolls I see ...

WOW a Christian who needs lessons on how to read the Bible from an Atheist?

I posted excerpts from the Bible that prove Jesus commanded us to adhere to OT laws. The OT demands us to kill disobedient children amongst other things.

Read the Bible before you go insulting me.

I do not play with dolls and you will do well to stop insulting me. If you have something to say then do so in a mature way!

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Something cannot come from nothing.

Not only is this philosophically vacuous, it is scientifically flawed. We have empirical evidence of 'something from nothing'.

I don't need wishful thinking to hang the universe on. Only reality is important to a Christian.

"I don't know how the universe could come about without God, therefore, God exists!" is the quintessential example of wishful thinking.

God and a Freethinker were debating. God said "Look I can make a human being out of earth. And He made man in the likeness of God.

The atheist said: "Man, that's easy. The human being is made up of nothing more than chemicals. Any scientist can show you that" And the atheist reached down and went for a handful of dirt.

God said: "Oh no, you make your own earth first."

What a charming tale. If the evolutionist must recreate 3.5 billion years of evolution to demonstrate his claims, then the Creationist must recreate the entirety of Genesis to demonstrate his. Fortunately, this isn't how science works, so your point is moot.

Sorry pal, you get zero figures when acted upon by a zero first. It takes a 1 at the beginning to make anything and everything possible.

Allegedly. Do you have any evidence or rationale demonstrating that this is so?

Look in the mirror for a person of faith.

I'll look to cold hard facts to rest my reality on. You know, I'm a Christian after all.

Serioulsy, the God thing isn't that hard to comprehend if you use your God given intellect.

Ah, Christian humility at its finest. Way to win the damned over to Christ

 

[mzungu]

Something cannot come from nothing. I don't need wishful thinking to hang the universe on. Only reality is important to a Christian.

At the quantum level 'Something' and 'Nothing' are not meaningful concepts.
But to answer to your question here its all yours: