razeontherock
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Touche! 
All 3 of those statements can be true. You might think that through to see how; it's not so tough.
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Does morality exist without God?
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Touche! All 3 of those statements can be true. You might think that through to see how; it's not so tough.
Insane_Duck
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Do you have any statistics on this at all? Especially compared to the impoverished parts of the world, and past theocracies. I think the fact that you are listing homosexuality on your list of immoral acts of western society makes the answer to the OP is obvious.
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Smileandtheworld
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All 3 of those statements can be true. You might think that through to see how; it's not so tough.
So, do people have morals? Or does god hold all the cards?
It sounds like there are only two options there... maybe a third.... man has morals but god refines them?
Not sure about the last one, Humans can do some pretty crazy things.
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razeontherock
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What have you done to process the statement "God gave man dominion?"
The world we live in is far more complex than that! God certainly has His own immutable standards, but human morality seems to be a separate thing with varying degrees of His influence.
Explainable entirely by our dominion, which allows us to embrace His Kingdom or forsake it, and anywhere in between.
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Smileandtheworld
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Are you arguing that god is a sufficient but un-neccesary provider of morality. Or that all morality comes from him but in varying degrees?
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mzungu
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You obviously do not know your Bible very well:
1) For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasnt the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
4) Jesus criticises the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
5) Jesus is criticised by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. (Matthew 15:4-7)
6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)
7) Peter says that all slaves should be subject to [their] masters with all fear, to the bad and cruel as well as the good and gentle. This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18
8) Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).
9) ...the scripture cannot be broken. --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
By the way; I don't play with dolls, so the next time you want to insult me; Think twice!
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evil is the disobedience of the LAW OF GOD
SATAN broke the rules n evil was created by his choice of LUST N PRIDE
SATAN broke the rules n evil was created by his choice of LUST N PRIDE
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Insane_Duck
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Ah, based on his statement your statement would imply the opposite, after which your atheist logo confused me. Sorry about that.
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logically
atheism doesnt exist
its ignorance n scoffers alike
where there is design ooops no designer ?
hm hm
atheism doesnt exist
its ignorance n scoffers alike
where there is design ooops no designer ?
hm hm
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SithDoughnut
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But in reality, it does. Which do you think is wrong, your logic or reality?
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Insane_Duck
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I don't usually nitpick... But I have no idea what you are trying to say. Try Firefox 4, it comes with spell check.
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I got a trillion reasons that says God exists. Even more actually.
Already did it. Yup. Nothing shows the seal of God on our DNA like secularists trying to make laws to live by.
"Hey! that's wrong!!!"
No such thing in a Godless world.
As the humanist manifesto so accurately displays.
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"In the beginning God said . . ."
The one I didn't is down below in the trash can representation area.
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Insane_Duck
Because ducks are just awesome like that.
Give me one. I dare you.
Wow. That is so ignorant that I don't know where to start...
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