Does morality exist without God?

[Wiccan_Child]

The answer regarding the OP is NO.

See:





Remember the Nazi's and Communist Russians?
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Not personally. What relevance do they have to either the OP, or the quote in my signature? Bearing in mind Darwin was reflecting on a scientist's need to divorce her own personal bias from her research - he was not a complete extraction of all human emotion and morality in all areas of life.

Funny how it's only certain people who make that mistake

 

[SithDoughnut]

Remember the Nazi's and Communist Russians?
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Ah yes, I remember hearing about when all those moral religious people stopped the Nazis from ever taking over, and didn't just join in as well.

Wait...

 

[sandwiches]

The answer regarding the OP is NO.

See:





Remember the Nazi's and Communist Russians?
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What does morality have to do with having a heart of stone when it comes to science?

 

[allhart]

What does morality have to do with having a heart of stone when it comes to science?

Science is after the fact not behind it all .... In otherwords not in front of it or the cause. If society doesn't have any moral code/law then by the very Essence of truth in science why would it matter

 

[sandwiches]

Science is after the fact not behind it all .... In otherwords not in front of it or the cause.

Nobody's made that claim. Moving on...

If society doesn't have any moral code/law then by the very Essence of truth in science why would it matter

Why would what matter?

 

[allhart]

Good. Nobody claimed otherwise. Moving on!


Why would what matter?

WINNING.....lol

 

[sandwiches]

WINNING.....lol

Why would winning matter? Is that supposed to make sense or is this some Charlie Sheen nonsense that's supposed to be funny?

 

[allhart]

Why would winning matter? Is that supposed to make sense or is this some Charlie Sheen nonsense that's supposed to be funny?

Trying to be light on some heavy stuff.

The truth of the matter in science or anything...... Scienticfic information depends on the Moral law otherwise scientific information could mean anything..... Truth matters. The Natural order of things.

 

[sandwiches]

Trying to be light on some heavy stuff.

The truth of the matter in science or anything...... Scienticfic information depends on the Moral law otherwise scientific information could mean anything..... Truth matters. The Natural order of things.

How does gravity depend on moral law? How does general relativity depend on moral law? How does transistor technology depend on moral law?

 

[chris4243]

How does gravity depend on moral law? How does general relativity depend on moral law? How does transistor technology depend on moral law?

Transistors can't calculate an age for the earth older than 10,000 years because that would be morally wrong

 

[allhart]

How does gravity depend on moral law? How does general relativity depend on moral law? How does transistor technology depend on moral law?

The truth about it all does the perspective to ea individual, truth matter? Even to say one belief system matters. Looking at the out come!

Kinda like what some Dr. Say when people get cancer after chewing or smoking.... "you picked your poison so now your dying with the consequences of your choices"

 

[sandwiches]

The truth about it all does an the perspective to ea individuals truth matters. Even to say one belief system matters. Looking at the out come!

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. However, the fact is that moral law has nothing to do with reality. Things are what they are, despite what we think they should be.

 

[allhart]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. However, the fact is that moral law has nothing to do with reality. Things are what they are, despite what we think they should be.

Look we live by structure an personal honesty.... Truth. Truth is true or false while people's belief systems come in degrees. They can be 30% right and 70% wrong..... Even to say dead wrong

 

[sandwiches]

Look we live by structure an personal honesty.... Truth. Truth is true or false while people's belief systems come in degrees. They can be 30% right and 70% wrong..... Even to say dead wrong

I give up. I really don't know what you're saying.

 

[allhart]

I give up. I really don't know what you're saying.

Everone lives by a personal moral code but the ultimate factor in everyones belief systems needs to be lived in the truth. Which is true or false. Doctrinal belief systems matter in the end.....End In the truth..... I don't want to live with anyones wrong outcome or part of their personal belief system! Let's look at it this way in the realm of sin equated with drinking water. Take a eye dropper then you suck up some sewage water an drop one drop of that sewage in your bottle of drinking water. Would you drink it an to say it isn't that bad then drink up? Ideas and actions have consquences...... In the first cause and in effect.

Let me ask you about design, if design isn't that important then why does the Army swiz knife Patent important to the maker or designer?

Basically you have to morally be honest with yourself before you can be honest with anyone else. Belief systems end results matter. If we get up on a four story building and a person no matter the inquisition says I don't believe that gravity matters an jumps.... I don't care how much he was right or wrong he is going to die.

 

[HeathenWarrior]

There are many who claim there are no higher powers at all. The gods do not exist, they say. But I would rather believe in them, and find them false, then not believed at all. For even if they do not exist, they are still symbols. Powerful symbols of courage, honor, truth, and loyalty. And I would rather live my life honoring them, by honoring those virtues, then never to have believed at all.

 

[Eudaimonist]

There are many who claim there are no higher powers at all. The gods do not exist, they say. But I would rather believe in them, and find them false, then not believed at all. For even if they do not exist, they are still symbols. Powerful symbols of courage, honor, truth, and loyalty. And I would rather live my life honoring them, by honoring those virtues, then never to have believed at all.

Why do you have to believe in their literal existence in order to honor those virtues? It seems that you could easily take them as meaningful symbols, and not as literal realities.


eudaimomia,

Mark

 

[HeathenWarrior]

Why do you have to believe in their literal existence in order to honor those virtues? It seems that you could easily take them as meaningful symbols, and not as literal realities.


eudaimomia,

Mark

They inspire me to be virtuous. Even if they were only meaningful symbols, then that is still better than being nothing at all. I may be able to be honorable without them, but I feel great inspiration from them. Simply put, to each his own.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Simply put, to each his own.

No doubt about that. I was just curious to hear your answer.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[sandwiches]

They inspire me to be virtuous. Even if they were only meaningful symbols, then that is still better than being nothing at all. I may be able to be honorable without them, but I feel great inspiration from them. Simply put, to each his own.

You can "be something" and still feel inspiration without belief that these symbols are real. Why believe them as literal entities, beings, whatever?