Does Gods plan for our lives ever include sin?

[renniks]

Sorry, that's an inadequate answer. What is written there that you think is a true and correct answer to the question ? (or were you just avoiding the question?)

Sorry, wrong verse. I meant to post
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Two things, all men are made alive. Obviously, this can't mean all are saved, but that all given enough light to be saved, IF they pursue it, as it is only those who are Christ's at his coming or at their deaths, who are saved. The whole point I'm trying to make is that the atonement is offered to all men, as opposed to only a few.

 

[renniks]

God Day, Renniks

You have yet to answer the OP in light of the scripture.... now you will not give a working definition of free-will, so you skip to atonement.

Ok I will play, this one last time, but would like some interaction on the questions of your assertions.

The atoning sacrifice of the Son of God on the cross was made to God the Father, on behalf of His people to save them (reality) from their sins that is why Jesus came. He did/ and does so with out fail.

Matt 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

In Him,

Bill

First, the compatibilist meaning of free will that you are using is very strange. In this “compatibilist” account of free will (because it is compatible with determinism), you are acting freely even if you could not act otherwise so long as you are doing what you want to do and are not being forced to do something against your will. For example, if you eat pizza for lunch because you want to you are acting freely even if pizza is the only thing on the menu and you are starving. It is hardly the most common meaning of free will or the meaning of “the person on the street” who talks about being free. So, when Calvinists affirm free will they do not mean power of contrary choice — something most Calvinists deny. Power of contrary choice is the Arminian view of free will. This is known as non-compatibilist freedom or libertarian freedom. In this view, “free will” means being able to do otherwise. In other words, in this view, you are only acting freely when and if you could do otherwise than you do. And this does not just mean “physical ability” to do otherwise; it means real ability — that you genuinely could have chosen to do something else but intellectually chose the course of action you took even if you actually preferred something else.

 

[renniks]

Good day, Renniks

Different question (who are his people) Those adopted by the Father eph 1, and given to the Son by the Father Jn 6... the one who the Father causes to be born again 1 peter:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, 5 who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time

Answer mine now

The atonement sacrifice was offered to God the Father.

In Him,

Bill

1 Timothy 2:5-6 l
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

1 Timothy 2:4
Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[renniks]

No worries bud, just follow the crowd, I'm sure it'll be fine!

Seems like that should be my line to you, as the majority of people today seem to think most everyone will make it to heaven.

 

[timothyu]

Several times I've asked someone about a past choice or decision they made, why they did not do what was good and right....

How about did it serve self or another? That's kinda God's way of looking at things.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How about did it serve self or another? That's kinda God's way of looking at things.

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If it is good and right, it is what the heavenly Father says to say and/or to do.

 

[BBAS 64]

First, the compatibilist meaning of free will that you are using is very strange. In this “compatibilist” account of free will (because it is compatible with determinism), you are acting freely even if you could not act otherwise so long as you are doing what you want to do and are not being forced to do something against your will. For example, if you eat pizza for lunch because you want to you are acting freely even if pizza is the only thing on the menu and you are starving. It is hardly the most common meaning of free will or the meaning of “the person on the street” who talks about being free. So, when Calvinists affirm free will they do not mean power of contrary choice — something most Calvinists deny. Power of contrary choice is the Arminian view of free will. This is known as non-compatibilist freedom or libertarian freedom. In this view, “free will” means being able to do otherwise. In other words, in this view, you are only acting freely when and if you could do otherwise than you do. And this does not just mean “physical ability” to do otherwise; it means real ability — that you genuinely could have chosen to do something else but intellectually chose the course of action you took even if you actually preferred something else.

Good day, Renniks

Thanks for that, now I understand better why people like Spurgeon, and Owen would consider such a view of Free-will foolishness, and utter nonsense. IMHO they were being much to kind.

But Thanks,

In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

1 Timothy 2:5-6 l
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

1 Timothy 2:4
Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Good day, Renniks

You asked who are his people...

Um.. ok so.. you have a point???

 

[renniks]

Good day, Renniks

You asked who are his people...

Um.. ok so.. you have a point???

Obviously the point is that the atonement is not limited.

 

[BBAS 64]

Obviously the point is that the atonement is not limited.

Well I am not a universalist ... Obviously.. You never asked me that.

So does God's plan for our lives include sin....?

If God can stop us from sinning why doesn't he?

In Him,

Bill

 

[renniks]

Well I am not a universalist ... Obviously.. You never asked me that.

Neither am I. But the Bible confirms that salvation is offered to all. Unlimited atonement.

 

[timothyu]

If it is good and right, it is what the heavenly Father says to say and/or to do.

Not so for man using the knowledge of good and evil, constantly redefining what is good and evil in order to self justify. Look at the atomic bomb for example. It was claimed God gave it to the US for His purpose, thus calling it good. Hogwash. Man likes to serve self (bad). God says to serve others (good).