Does God invoke FEAR in anyone anymore?

[intricatic]

There's a big difference between the definition of fear, RESPECT and AWE, and the fear of, well, FEAR.

FEAR is of Satan. You can't fear God, because there is no fear in God's Presence.

Fear can only be found in an Evil Presence.

To "fear the LORD" is simply just to revere and respect Him. Not to actually fear Him.

There's no reason to fear God, and there's no fear in the Presence of God.

Anyone who has experience with the Presence of God and the Presence of Evil knows this.
Satan's #1 tool is Fear.
God never uses Fear.

The God of the Old Testament (and New Testament) was hardly bereft of fear. Do you have a source that fear only comes from evil, though?

 

[UBERROGO]

There's a big difference between the definition of fear, RESPECT and AWE, and the fear of, well, FEAR.

FEAR is of Satan. You can't fear God, because there is no fear in God's Presence.

Fear can only be found in an Evil Presence.

To "fear the LORD" is simply just to revere and respect Him. Not to actually fear Him.

There's no reason to fear God, and there's no fear in the Presence of God.

Anyone who has experience with the Presence of God and the Presence of Evil knows this.
Satan's #1 tool is Fear.
God never uses Fear.

There is plenty of fear in the presence of God when someone is declared guilty and sent off to hell.

 

[chris777]

it is a near prideful demeaning to the power, of God , in that men now have no fear of whatever blasphemy, and or decietful, turning from the truth.that erupts from their lips, and the heaping fourth of teachers that scratch eager ears.

 

[RonnyRulz]

The God of the Old Testament (and New Testament) was hardly bereft of fear. Do you have a source that fear only comes from evil, though?

Yes

1 John 4:15-18
If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
In other words, "There is no fear in God. But perfect God drives out fear, "


If you don't believe me, all I can say is to quote this verse over and over again until you eventually get it through.

There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
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There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18

 

[kmesp86]

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

Get close to God. Learn to stop worrying and stop being afraid. We have a short life on this Earth as it is, worry and fear just make it worse.

 

[JacobHall86]

Yes

1 John 4:15-18
If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
In other words, "There is no fear in God. But perfect God drives out fear, "


If you don't believe me, all I can say is to quote this verse over and over again until you eventually get it through.

There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18

You really are a heretic.

This is what the verse says.
- 1Jo 4:18 -
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

 

[tiredwalker]

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

Get close to God. Learn to stop worrying and stop being afraid. We have a short life on this Earth as it is, worry and fear just make it worse.

Nice quote from Dune, one of my personal favorites.

 

[RonnyRulz]

You really are a heretic.

This is what the verse says.
- 1Jo 4:18 -
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18


Heretic or not, it's your choice to deny that verse or to accept it. It's the Word of God, and it's very clear.


There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
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[jad123]

There are TONS of scripture throughout the OT and NT where we are told to fear God. Believers are not to be scared of God but we must have a reverant fear of the Lord as stated in scripture.

Luk 1:49 For the Mighty One has done great things for me; and holy is His name.
Luk 1:50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.

Luk 12:4 And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luk 12:5 But I will warn you of whom you shall fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yea, I say to you, fear Him.

Act 9:31 Then, indeed, the churches had rest throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria, and having been built up. And having gone on in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were increased.

1Pe 2:17 Honor all. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

 

[holo]

You really are a heretic.

This is what the verse says.
- 1Jo 4:18 -
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

What's heretical about that? Should Ronny be afraid of God? Is God out to punish him?

Fear has to do with punishment.

 

[chris777]

What's heretical about that? Should Ronny be afraid of God? Is God out to punish him?

Fear has to do with punishment.

If he is falsely telling those that should fear God not to, then yes.

He Speaks from a perspective of perfected salvation, a state, I am not aware anyone has yet reached, other than those who are now asleep.

He speaks, as if we shouldnt worry about anything, and that, all fear, is of satan, he forgets, that satan shall come as an angel of light.

God himself tells us not to hate his rebukement. But to falsely feel as if he will not cast us into the very same darkness he has reserved for the angels that disobeyed him, is false.

If someone is pouring out false doctrine, that might lead other weaker brothers astray, or worse off those who are not even saved, then yes they should fear his wrath.

I once spoke falsely as he does, in my ignorance, and God showed me the error of my ways, his word says exactly what it does for a reason, it is not for me to say it does not, and to try and subvert it.

Fearing the one who can cast both body and soul into hell is not reverence, it is FEAR. reverence Does not involve TREMBLING, FEAR does, we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[BereanTodd]

Eccl 3:14 I know that everything God does will remain forever; there is nothing to add to it and there is nothing to take from it, for God has so worked that men should fear Him.

Apparently here God wants men to fear Him.

Eccl 5:7 For in many dreams and in many words there is emptiness. Rather, fear God.

Again we're told to fear God.

Eccl 8:12-13 Although a sinner does evil a hundred times and may lengthen his life, still I know that it will be well for those who fear God, who fear Him openly But it will not be well for the evil man and he will not lengthen his days like a shadow, because he does not fear God.

Here we are told that it will go well for those who fear Him and not for those who don't. Why would this be if we're supposedly not to fear God? Not only that but ...

Eccle 12:!3 The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person.

Apparently here the command to fear God applied to everyone period ...

Jer 5:24 'They do not say in their heart,"Let us now fear the LORD our God,Who gives rain in its season,Both the autumn rain and the spring rain,Who keeps for usThe appointed weeks of the harvest."


Funny, again we're being told to fear Him ...

2 Chron 9:19 Then he charged them saying, "Thus you shall do in the fear of the LORD, faithfully and wholeheartedly.

Job 28:28 "And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom;And to depart from evil is understanding.'"

The fear of the Lord is wisdom supposedly ...

Ps 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.

... it is also described as being 'clean' to a Jew ...

Ps 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;A good understanding have all those who do His commandments;His praise endures forever

... it is once again, the begining of wisdom ...

Ps 128:1 How blessed is everyone who fears the LORD,Who walks in His ways.

... and those who fear Him are supposedly blessed ...

Prov 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge;Fools despise wisdom and instruction.

... it is the begining of knowledge ...

Prov 1:28-29 28"Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;
They will seek me diligently but they will not find me,
29Because they hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the LORD

... God will not answer because they reject the fear of the Lord ...

Prov 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

... it is again the begining of wisdom, a very recurrent theme as we are seeing ...

Prov 10:27 The fear of the LORD prolongs life,But the years of the wicked will be shortened.

... it prolongs one's life ...

Prov 14:27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life,That one may avoid the snares of death.

... it is a fountain of life ...

Prov 19:23 The fear of the LORD leads to life,So that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil.

... again it leads to life, keeping us untouched by evil ...

Prov 23:17 Do not let your heart envy sinners,But live in the fear of the LORD always

... we are told to always live in the fear of the Lord. Now what was that you were saying about we should not fear God? The fear of God is one of the major themes of Scripture, and without a healthy reverance towards and fear of God we get off-track very quickly. Not only is the fear of God Biblical, it is a very important ingredient in a healthy Christian life.

 

[chris777]

I repeat

I really was asking a question, particularly in regards to how You perceive
the following verses from the gospels, and how you reconcile them
With the vereses youve quoted.
Matt 10:28
28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Luke 12:
[4] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
[5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

That was why I even asked Because the replies were somewhat ambiguous from several, not just you.

Quote:
God is more like a cuddly teddy bear than anything else. That's an amazing description of Him.
If you disagree, you have a lot to learn about God.
He is the best cuddly teddy bear!!!
Question, and again it isnt an accusatory, but more of a puzzlement.
what do you think of all of the old testament views, of God, and his Judgements on israel, and the hebrews?
Love is an aspect, of God, A very important one, probably the most important one, But it is not the only aspect.
We will all be Judged, and many who deny him, Shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.

To remove all aspects of God save one is diminishing from all the other scriptures that describe God. I have little doubt that his love for us exceeds most if not all the other aspects of God, but it does not eliminate them.

Can you possibly elaborate more, as to clarify, your view.
I dont really want to start quoting verses, yet, because I am unclear on your position, and It is not my aim, to insult, and cause strife, but rather as I have stated in my other post.

There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18

You hold your entire view of
God based on one line of scripture, yet you deny the very words of Christ himself when he said to Fear God.
How is your doctrine any different than others who take one verse, and use it to pass out false doctrines?
I wont give any examples, as I hope you already know of a few.

I am just trying to comprehend your view as it is puzzling, if not disturbing

 

[holo]

We don't need to be afraid of God, especially we who are saved. God wants nothing but good for us.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Eccl 3:14 I know that everything God does will remain forever; there is nothing to add to it and there is nothing to take from it, for God has so worked that men should fear Him.

Apparently here God wants men to fear Him.​

Eccl 5:7 For in many dreams and in many words there is emptiness. Rather, fear God.​

Again we're told to fear God.​

Eccl 8:12-13 Although a sinner does evil a hundred times and may lengthen his life, still I know that it will be well for those who fear God, who fear Him openly But it will not be well for the evil man and he will not lengthen his days like a shadow, because he does not fear God.​

Here we are told that it will go well for those who fear Him and not for those who don't. Why would this be if we're supposedly not to fear God? Not only that but ...​

Eccle 12:!3 The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person.​

Apparently here the command to fear God applied to everyone period ...​

Jer 5:24 'They do not say in their heart,"Let us now fear the LORD our God,Who gives rain in its season,Both the autumn rain and the spring rain,Who keeps for usThe appointed weeks of the harvest."​

Funny, again we're being told to fear Him ...​

2 Chron 9:19 Then he charged them saying, "Thus you shall do in the fear of the LORD, faithfully and wholeheartedly.​

Job 28:28 "And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom;And to depart from evil is understanding.'"​

The fear of the Lord is wisdom supposedly ...​

Ps 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.​

... it is also described as being 'clean' to a Jew ...​

Ps 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;A good understanding have all those who do His commandments;His praise endures forever​

... it is once again, the begining of wisdom ...​

Ps 128:1 How blessed is everyone who fears the LORD,Who walks in His ways.​

... and those who fear Him are supposedly blessed ...​

Prov 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge;Fools despise wisdom and instruction.​

... it is the begining of knowledge ...​

Prov 1:28-29 28"Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;​

They will seek me diligently but they will not find me, ​

29Because they hated knowledge​

And did not choose the fear of the LORD​

... God will not answer because they reject the fear of the Lord ...​

Prov 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.​

... it is again the begining of wisdom, a very recurrent theme as we are seeing ...​

Prov 10:27 The fear of the LORD prolongs life,But the years of the wicked will be shortened.​

... it prolongs one's life ...​

Prov 14:27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life,That one may avoid the snares of death.​

... it is a fountain of life ...​

Prov 19:23 The fear of the LORD leads to life,So that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil.​

... again it leads to life, keeping us untouched by evil ...​

Prov 23:17 Do not let your heart envy sinners,But live in the fear of the LORD always​

... we are told to always live in the fear of the Lord. Now what was that you were saying about we should not fear God? The fear of God is one of the major themes of Scripture, and without a healthy reverance towards and fear of God we get off-track very quickly. Not only is the fear of God Biblical, it is a very important ingredient in a healthy Christian life.​

We have stopped preaching about the fear and reverence that is due the Lord. IMHO. We speak only of His love, and use that to make so many things no longer wrong.

I can't even count the times people have said to me if God is Loving like everyone says He is, then he will forgive me for not believing He is real, or if what I am doing is wrong He loves me so He will not hold it against me. What happened to all the scriptures that tell us to confess and repent?

We have all became so worldly, going with man's fleshly lusts, and trying to make them ok, because God loves us. Scriptures written 60 to 70 years after His death, burial and resurrection, tell us to remember the destruction of the old world by flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah. They tell us to remember how the children of God were saved from Egypt only to be destroyed for their unbelief.

I do believe some of the scriptures are speaking of the awe and reverence we are to have for God, but we can't ignore the scriptures, like mentioned by BereanTodd.
​

 

[chris777]

I do believe some of the scriptures are speaking of the awe and reverence we are to have for God, but we can't ignore the scriptures, like mentioned by BereanTodd.

exactly some do speak of awe and respect, but some speal of trembling terror of the Lord. which Is diminished when people try to change Christ almighty, into cute little "baby" Jesus.

Last I read his hair was white as wool.

And I also agree with the rest of your point, some of us need the fear of the flames, to shock us into the reality of the spiritual war that is raging all around us over our (and everyone elses) very soul.

I used to believe I wasnt "bad " enough to deserve hell, before I learned from the scriptures that I was in fact at my very core evil, as the scriptures repeatedly tell us.

I also came to realize that my own minimizing the very words of scripture was in fact diminishing the power from the word of God, and that I might as well have been telling people that Jesus was the wrong way to God, when in fact he is the ONLY way.

 

[JacobHall86]

We don't need to be afraid of God, especially we who are saved. God wants nothing but good for us.

If you could back that claim up with Scripture please.

 

[UBERROGO]

There is plenty of fear in the presence of God when someone is declared guilty and sent off to hell.

I think this bears repeating.

PS Jacob, I think your John Deere hat goes well with your sword.

 

[intricatic]

We don't need to be afraid of God, especially we who are saved. God wants nothing but good for us.

Perhaps we're thinking of two different types of fear, or fear for two different reasons, but I get from scripture that we're supposed to be fearful of the Lord in His Glory and Judgement.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(James 1:13-18)

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. 11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
(James 4:7-12)

 

[RonnyRulz]

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