Does God invoke FEAR in anyone anymore?

[jad123]

There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18
There is no fear in God. 1 John 4:18

Dude you sound like a broken record. One line of scripture taken out of context does not justify a certain belief. One must study all of scripture to understand and more than enough has been shown to you.

 

[holo]

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. - Matthew 10:28

Don't forget to read the continuation too;

Matthew 10:29-31
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny[d]? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

The call for [a healthy] fear of God is to keep us reverant & accountable (knowing that He is also our Father who is JUST & disciplines us) so we don't get too casual with God as if he's our equal.

God obviously deserves respect, but you don't need to fear getting "too casual" - the Lord is with you always, even when you're doing something so casual as scratching your belly or going to the toilet. Also, he became one of us and took the role of a servant and washed the discpiles' feet. He becase like us so that we could become like him. He's the firstborn of many brothers, we are his friends

 

[Nadiine]

Don't forget to read the continuation too;

Matthew 10:29-31
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny[d]? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

God obviously deserves respect, but you don't need to fear getting "too casual" - the Lord is with you always, even when you're doing something so casual as scratching your belly or going to the toilet. Also, he became one of us and took the role of a servant and washed the discpiles' feet. He becase like us so that we could become like him. He's the firstborn of many brothers, we are his friends

Once again, the Greek words are ignored in the text meanings...
Why did Strong even bother making a lexicon? Who needs one? lol

IT IS CLEAR there is a fear to be held towards God's authority/power/capability, YET WE ARE TO KNOW GOD LOVES US AND WE ARE HIS.

So we aren't to live in a perpetual state of Chronic FEAR of Him.​

(that would cripple & debilitate any close relationship to live in such fear).​

But, as a role of the authority who holds us accountable to obey, we need to have a fear of his power & capability to discipline.
AS I quoted:​

Pro 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD [men] depart from evil. ​

I don't see why this is so imbalanced as if we aren't to have one shred of fear where authority/power are concerned, and if you DO have fear, you're completely living in a petrified state huddled in a corner?
I constantly see a lack of BALANCE in these threads; lack of using all scriptures & meanings TOGETHER to form one whole truth.

Instead, we just cling for dear life onto the few verses we like that sound best to us & our preconcieved ideals of God rather than let the Bible teach us truth in it's totality.
(which is a form of idolatry)

 

[intricatic]

Instead, we just cling for dear life onto the few verses we like that sound best to us & our preconcieved ideals of God rather than let the Bible teach us truth in it's totality.
(which is a form of idolatry)

But everyone knows that truth both starts and ends at the individual.

 

[Blank123]

Matthew 10:29-31
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny[d]? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

which doesn't nullify any of what i have already shown here on this thread All that says is God is sovereign so we have nothing to fear in this life, that doesn't mean we can ignore the message of the passage as a whole which says that rather than fear this life, and fear those who are persecuting, Fear the God of this universe who is able enough to both kill us and send us to Hell and we need to live our lives according to what He has told us He expects of us if indeed we are His children or face the consequences, which is rejection.

All of Scripture works together, we can't simply toss out certain passages because it doesn't fit in with what we believe, we're supposed to toss out our own doctrines becuse they don't fit in with what the Bible teaches.

 

[Nadiine]

Originally Posted by Nadiine
Instead, we just cling for dear life onto the few verses we like that sound best to us & our preconcieved ideals of God rather than let the Bible teach us truth in it's totality.
(which is a form of idolatry)

But everyone knows that truth both starts and ends at the individual.

I need a smilie graphic that's beating its head against a wall.

 

[chris777]

I was just about to repost these verses

I am not mad, im not trying to be witty, im not trying to retort or anything like that, But I would like someone , to explain an alternative to fear in these verses, if there is one, I will give you the beneft of the doubt, but to just post another verse as a counter does not change these 2 verses. I am just asking for an explanation

Matt 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 12:4-5
[4] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
[5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

I just don't see a suitable replacement for fear in these verses

 

[Nadiine]

I was just about to repost these verses

I am not mad, im not trying to be witty, im not trying to retort or anything like that, But I would like someone , to explain an alternative to fear in these verses, if there is one, I will give you the beneft of the doubt, but to just post another verse as a counter does not change these 2 verses. I am just asking for an explanation

Matt 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 12:4-5
[4] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
[5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

I just don't see a suitable replacement for fear in these verses

The Greek root word involves our English word "phobic/phobia"... so it IS a fear, not reverance alone.

The answer (imo) is in WHAT we're to have fear of. It's being understood that when we claim we're to have fear of God, that we mean it's a "crippling or debilitating fear of God" to where we can't even function in a real relationship with Him without feeling like an unworthy worm.
And/or that since we're saved, we don't have to fear Him condemning us.

Well, as you combine ALL scriptures together, you DO see a 'fear' we're to have (otherwise, the bible contradicts itself repeatedly by context and Greek language).

So, WE MUST CONCLUDE WHAT GODLY FEAR IS and what it isn't.​

It's in that analysis, combining all the scriptures, that we get the balance & full teaching. Fear of His authority/capability/power. It's the same type of 'fear' I held towards my parents in their disciplinary role, and other authorities over me.

It keeps being misunderstood & misrepresented that we're too fearful, which causes them to conclude that "we should have no fear of God whatsoever"
(which is against biblical [con]text).
Lack of balance in both extremes are wrong.

*I still need a smilie that's beating its head against a wall. lol

 

[holo]

IT IS CLEAR there is a fear to be held towards God's authority/power/capability, YET WE ARE TO KNOW GOD LOVES US AND WE ARE HIS.

So we aren't to live in a perpetual state of Chronic FEAR of Him.​

(that would cripple & debilitate any close relationship to live in such fear).​

Then we agree

I constantly see a lack of BALANCE in these threads; lack of using all scriptures & meanings TOGETHER to form one whole truth.

Instead, we just cling for dear life onto the few verses we like that sound best to us & our preconcieved ideals of God rather than let the Bible teach us truth in it's totality.

Right back at ya...

 

[intricatic]

I need a smilie graphic that's beating its head against a wall.

When in question, simply

 

[Ceridwen]

Yahweh is a God of VENGEANCE! as well as a God of pardon. He will operate upon a person without a corrective intent unless the person acknowledges him thusly presented and worships him. Read the first chapter of Romans.

 

[chris777]

IT IS CLEAR there is a fear to be held towards God's authority/power/capability, YET WE ARE TO KNOW GOD LOVES US AND WE ARE HIS.
So we aren't to live in a perpetual state of Chronic FEAR of Him.
(that would cripple & debilitate any close relationship to live in such fear).

Then we agree

So you do believe in a form of fear.

If I came off as im plying that we should live in a perpetual state of terror, it was not my intention, However, that didnt mean that I felt like we could do whatever we wanted and deliberately sin, and what not and still expect no punishment or responce from God , but a pat on the shoulder, and a chuckle. Name it and claim it so to speak

 

[Nadiine]

So you do believe in a form of fear.

If I came off as im plying that we should live in a perpetual state of terror, it was not my intention, However, that didnt mean that I felt like we could do whatever we wanted and deliberately sin, and what not and still expect no punishment or responce from God , but a pat on the shoulder, and a chuckle. Name it and claim it so to speak

No Chris, your posts didn't come off that way (none of them did as I read them) - the opposing positions to fear just seemed to relay that in the replies. Unfortunately, it goes to imbalance & extremes.

I agree about the punishment part too -
I think God gives us our human relationships down here to better understand Him in our personal relationship w/ Him... He gives us parents who also discipline - He gives us a spouse (as we're His "bride"), He gives us children and we can understand His deep love for His children.
etc.
(I like to call it a flannelgraph way of teaching; what's above is reflected down here so His principles & attributes aren't so foreign to us).

 

[chris777]

one of the reasons I started this thread, was to try and get a feel for how easily people are moved to leave the written word of God, and either follow their own desires, or the deceptions of demons.