Does God Control Nature ? Poll

[Drought of the Heart]

Isaiah 59:18-19
"According to their deeds, so will he repay,
wrath to his adversaries, retribution to his enemies;
to the coastlands he will render repayment.
So they shall fear the name of the Lord from the west,
and his glory from the rising of the sun;
for he will come like a rushing stream,
which the wind of the Lord drives."

Luke 13:25
“Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Thanks for that Scripture, as I said in an earlier post maybe what happened to Puerto Rico was to see how we responded to our brothers and sisters in trouble. I fear we failed them terribly

 

[JIMINZ]

I always pray His will as we are told to do.

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[Clint Edwards]

He did not turn droughts , rain , clouds , lightening , thunder , earthquakes over to man, We can not even predict earthquakes or volcanoes , solar flares ect

When man chose sin, the whole creation was affected, and became hopelessly unbalanced, man is responsible for all the negatives in nature, every one. Humanity, in essence said, our way is better than yours, so in that sense, He simply said prove it.

 

[Sam91]

I find it interesting that you take on your shoulders the task of telling us the attributes that God must have to be God. I am not sure how much credence God gives to the created telling the Creator what he must be to be considered God by the created. Somehow, I don think it works that way.

Are you saying that God is not Sovereign? Are you saying that He isn't the Lord of the Heavens and overall? Are you saying that He doesn't intervene? The Bible says that He is Sovereign, Lord over all (even the rocks and stones), and that He intervenes.

 

[Clint Edwards]

Are you saying that God is not Sovereign? Are you saying that He isn't the Lord of the Heavens and overall? Are you saying that He doesn't intervene? The Bible says that He is Sovereign, Lord over all (even the rocks and stones), and that He intervenes.

Yes, he is sovereign, and yes he does sometimes intervene. That is not what I was saying, at all.

 

[Sam91]

Yes, he is sovereign, and yes he does sometimes intervene. That is not what I was saying, at all.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[royal priest]

Thanks for that Scripture, as I said in an earlier post maybe what happened to Puerto Rico was to see how we responded to our brothers and sisters in trouble. I fear we failed them terribly

May the Lord not deal with us according to our sins, but grant us greater repentance.

 

[Drought of the Heart]

Thank you all for voting and replies , God is the same today as yesterday , we are the one that changed Him.

 

[JIMINZ]

So Katrina, and what happened to Huston, and Puerto Rico last year, was Gods' retribution, but He doesn't think San Francisco is that bad?

 

[dreadnought]

I did this somewhere else many years ago and was shocked that most said no. Please comment if you will.

With Hawaii , Guatemala, last years three major US Hurricanes please vote if you believe either God controls these things or it is just some random natural events...Thanks

If you look at the big picture, either the Lord is in control (of all things) or he isn't. Which would you prefer?

 

[Sam91]

So Katrina, and what happened to Huston, and Puerto Rico last year, was Gods' retribution, but He doesn't think San Francisco is that bad?

That would mean that weather events in unpopulated areas were also retribution; but why? How can a place with no inhabitants be punished for the sins of people who do not exist.

One can not say all weather is a punishment. I mean we can predict a lot of weather because it obeys the laws it was created to follow. If God sent every storm the weather would be unpredictable.

Rather like when someone programs something. It does what it is programed to but the person still has authority over it.

 

[royal priest]

So Katrina, and what happened to Huston, and Puerto Rico last year, was Gods' retribution, but He doesn't think San Francisco is that bad?

The Lord administers justice according to His own purposes. I don't know any more than what He reveals in the Scriptures.
Genesis 15:13-16
Then the Lord said to Abram, “Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. But I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions. As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age. And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

 

[St_Worm2]

I find it interesting that you take on your shoulders the task of telling us the attributes that God must have to be God. I am not sure how much credence God gives to the created telling the Creator what he must be to be considered God by the created. Somehow, I don think it works that way.

Hi Clint, I didn't "tell" anyone, anything .. at least, I don't think I did (notice the in the post of mine that you repied to ). I did attempt to ask for people's opinions however/asked them to consider what God being controlled by something (or perhaps someone) else would mean (at least, that's what I had hoped to imply anyway).

So what do you think, if the created elements are in control of the Creator, can He really be considered God, or are the elements that are outside of His control a kind of God to Him instead?

For that matter, if there is a single "maverick molecule" out there that is outside of His purview/control/ordination/foreknowledge/etc., how can we do more than "hope" that His great promises to us will actually come true? (because if there is anything that is truly outside of His control, it could certainly be an eternal game-changer that He would be powerless to stop )

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - of course, this is all moot in a sense, since God is in control of all things .. and He has gone so far as to tell us plainly that He is .. cf Isaiah 45:7.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

for he maketh. his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:45


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[Randy777]

I did this somewhere else many years ago and was shocked that most said no. Please comment if you will.

With Hawaii , Guatemala, last years three major US Hurricanes please vote if you believe either God controls these things or it is just some random natural events...Thanks

Global warming do to the build up greenhouse gases caused by mans pollution is considered the main cause of the more powerful hurricanes. I think God can control hurricanes,(has the ability), but isn't doing so. He set the creation into motion and is allowing that creation to run its course. Man has made it worse.

 

[St_Worm2]

...humans can influence natural events using God's power.

COOL But how do we do that

 

[Clint Edwards]

Hi Clint, I didn't "tell" anyone, anything .. at least, I don't think I did (notice the in the post of mine that you repied to ). I did attempt to ask for people's opinions however/asked them to consider what God being controlled by something (or perhaps someone) else would mean (at least, that's what I had hoped to imply anyway).

So what do you think, if the created elements are in control of the Creator, can He really be considered God, or are the elements that are outside of His control a kind of God to Him instead?

For that matter, if there is a single "maverick molecule" out there that is outside of His purview/control/ordination/foreknowledge/etc., how can we do more than "hope" that His great promises to us will actually come true? (because if there is anything that is truly outside of His control, it could certainly be an eternal game-changer that He would be powerless to stop )

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - of course, this is all moot in a sense, since God is in control of all things, and has gone so far as to tell us that He is .. cf Isaiah 45:7.

I love Spurgeon too. The entire creation functions within the framework of all the natural and physical laws that God created at creation. Just as I know that my programmed yard light will come on at 2000 hrs., God knows exactly what all these laws impinging on everything will do. Just as I can, anytime I choose, turn off, turn on, or reprogram my yard light, God can do the same with everything, God is always in control. passively, or actively.

 

[Clint Edwards]

for he maketh. his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:45


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Absolutely, the natural laws he created do this.

 

[St_Worm2]

I love Spurgeon too. The entire creation functions within the framework of all the natural and physical laws that God created at creation. Just as I know that my programmed yard light will come on at 2000 hrs., God knows exactly what all these laws impinging on everything will do. Just as I can, anytime I choose, turn off, turn on, or reprogram my yard light, God can do the same with everything, God is always in control. passively, or actively.

There are times when God steps in though, yes? The Flood (for instance) was created by the things of nature, the springs of the great deep/the floodgates of Heaven, nevertheless, God "caused" the Flood, yes?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Global warming do to the build up greenhouse gases caused by mans pollution is considered the main causes of the more powerful hurricanes. I think God can control hurricanes,(has the ability), but isn't doing so. He set the creation into motion and is allowing that creation to run its course. Man has made it worse.

Global Warming is 2 Lies put together.

Pollution is real though.