Does Cain’s punishment support evolution?

[Gozreht]

1. Jesus was circumcised. Luke 2:21: "On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived."

2. He celebrated the Passover: Matthew 26:17-19: "On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover." He also celebrated other jewish festivals (John 5:1).

3. He taught in the synagogues. Luke 13:10 "On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues."

4. He was referred to as "Rabbi". John 3:1-2: "Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

5. They wrote "King of the Jews" on his cross. Luke23:36-38 "The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar and said, “If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.” There was a written notice above him, which read: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS."

6. He was descended from both Abraham and King David. Matthew 1:1: "This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham."

7. Jesus was descended from Judah, who was the son of Jacob, grandson of Isaac and great-grandson of Abraham. Hebrews 7:14: "For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests."

8. He was born in the land of Judea. Matthew 2:1: "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem."

9. His family was jewish. Mary and Joseph regularly went to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover (Luke 2:41) and his aunt and uncle were both very religious (Luke 2:5-6).

10. Jesus was buried as a jew. John 19:40: "Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs."
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I already gave this, he didn't respond to it very well.

 

[dagelos]

Wow you also pick out pretty much every instance where Paul talks of Spiritual Israel and say that it can only be for Physical Israel.

I am not a part of Physical Israel, there is no way for me to trace my lineage to a tribe of Israel, however that doesn't matter I am accepted by Christ as a non Israelite, grafted into Israel to share in their inheritance Praise be to the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The blessed Emmanuel who gave his life as a propitiation for the sins of the world.

Which verse speak of Spiritual Israel?

Can you point out were ''Spiritual Israel'' is mentioned in the Bible?

Paul was writing to Israelites. They were in the Romans,that is why terms such as....

Paul write ''Israelite '' Romans 11:1
''Abraham our father'' Romans 4:1
''our father Isaac'' Romans 9:10
''my kinsmen according to the flesh'' Romans 9:3
''For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel'' Romans 9:6
''God for Israel'' Romans 10:1

They would be meaningless to non-Israelite.

Terms like ''Brethren'' could only be applied to Israel - Not Spiritual Israel.

As for grafting in,you cannot graft an apple or pear or any other type of fruit on to an olive branch.

Only Israel is likened to an olive - not Spiritual Israel.

Romans 9:3:For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,

- New International Version

Romans 9:3:For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Kinsmen = 4773. suggenes soong-ghen-ace' from 4862 and 1085; a relative (by blood); by extension, a fellow countryman:--cousin, kin(-sfolk, -sman).

Romans 9:4:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

This does not say ''Spiritual Israel.''


Jesus came only for Israel.

Acts 5:30:The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13:23:Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Acts 2:22:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:



Also,for the Jews to accept the Messiah in the future is to say the Jews will be saved even though they are anti-Christian,they can sin,but will at some latter day expect Jesus.
That is not Biblical,can you point out where the Jews will accept Jesus in the future?

from the Talmud, Kethuboth 111a) In other words, to call the Jewish people the Messiah is no metaphor; they are literally just that; they are the "Messiah," says the Talmud.

Why would the Jews in the state of Israel accept Jesus in the future when they consider themselves the Messiah?

 

[dagelos]

I offer known proof. Every mainstream Christian or anyone with a basic knowledge of Christianity knows Jesus was a jew:

1. Jesus was circumcised. Luke 2:21: "On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived."

2. He celebrated the Passover: Matthew 26:17-19: "On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover." He also celebrated other jewish festivals (John 5:1).

3. He taught in the synagogues. Luke 13:10 "On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues."

4. He was referred to as "Rabbi". John 3:1-2: "Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

5. They wrote "King of the Jews" on his cross. Luke23:36-38 "The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar and said, “If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.” There was a written notice above him, which read: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS."

6. He was descended from both Abraham and King David. Matthew 1:1: "This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham."

7. Jesus was descended from Judah, who was the son of Jacob, grandson of Isaac and great-grandson of Abraham. Hebrews 7:14: "For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests."

8. He was born in the land of Judea. Matthew 2:1: "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem."

9. His family was jewish. Mary and Joseph regularly went to Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover (Luke 2:41) and his aunt and uncle were both very religious (Luke 2:5-6).

10. Jesus was buried as a jew. John 19:40: "Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs."
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Circumcision and Passover were Israelite festivals. (Exodus 12 - Genesis 17)

The Synagogue was like the Town hall.

The term Rabbi is like '' Teacher''

Matthew 23:8 AMP - But you are not to be called rabbi - Bible Gateway

''king of the Jews''

In Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,Greek is...

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

JUDAEAN

Abraham and King David were not Jews.

The first time ''Jews'' is mentioned it does not apply to Abraham or king David.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV

2 Kings 16:6 KJV - At that time Rezin king of Syria - Bible Gateway

The Jews are not of Judah - Judah was made up of all Tribes of Israel.

2 Chronicles 11:14 KJV - For the Levites left their suburbs and - Bible Gateway

2 Chronicles 11:16 KJV - And after them out of all the tribes of - Bible Gateway

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV

Mary and Joseph were not Jewish - Jewish is mentioned once in the Bible and it is not applied to Mary and Joseph.

John 19:40..''Jews''

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

http://www.israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/Was-jesus-jewish.html

 

[dagelos]

Rest assured he was not Roman. If Caesar found out the Herod killed babies that would be Roman citizens he would be dead too. If He was Roman then he would not have been tried in the Sanhedrin, ever.

Gentile - In civil affairs, the denomination was given to all nations who were not Romans. - 1828 Webster's
G » gentile › 1828-dictionary.com :: Making the First American Dictionary of the English Language Accessible

Jesus and the Apostles were not Romans that makes them Gentiles. YES or NO?

 

[dagelos]

Was he an Israelite?

I answered you though and you did not respond.


This isn't beauty? Not only is your mind closed, but your eyes as well.

Was he an Israelite?

All of the Tribes of Israel made up Judah.(2 Chronicles 11:14-16)

Hebrews 7:14:For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.



This isn't beauty? Not only is your mind closed, but your eyes as well.

Mind closed - That applies to mainstream Christians.

....I think it may be your eyes that are closed.....

Is that Natalie portman,the first picture?

If I'm not mistaken she is a Jew - Jews have mixed with everyone in the world.

Natalie Portman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." (The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler (New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Somehow I suspected you would only use the King James version ...

The Jews are not of Judah - Judah was made up of all Tribes of Israel.

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this already but Jews by definition are descended from Judah. From JewFAQ.org:

"The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means "Judah-ism," that is, the religion of the Yehudim."​

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Even British Israelism followers know the jews are from Judah. I found this on Britam.org - The Jews are Judah:

"There exist some so-called “Identity” movements who do not really believe in “Identity” nor do they really believe in the Bible though they sometimes pretend to. These groups claim that the present-day Jews are not descended from Judah-but rather from Edomites or other people."​

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Jesus and the Apostles were not Romans that makes them Gentiles. YES or NO?

Both.​

Jesus was a jew, therefore according to jewish law he was not a gentile. He was apparently not a Roman citizen, therefore he was a gentile according to Roman civil law.​

St. Paul began life as a jew and later became a Christian. In religious terms this technically this makes him a gentile. He was also a Roman citizen, so in legal terms he was not a gentile.​

You're not getting a straight answer because "gentile" meant two different things, depending on whether you were talking to a jew or to a Roman.​

 

[dagelos]

True Beauty...look at the gorgeous hair, his cheeks are so rosey, and oh that moustache, umm...what woman wouldn't want him?

...but he did have a woman.

Eva Braun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dagelos]

Somehow I suspected you would only use the King James version ...


I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this already but Jews by definition are descended from Judah. From JewFAQ.org:

"The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means "Judah-ism," that is, the religion of the Yehudim."​

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Even British Israelism followers know the jews are from Judah. I found this on Britam.org - The Jews are Judah:

"There exist some so-called “Identity” movements who do not really believe in “Identity” nor do they really believe in the Bible though they sometimes pretend to. These groups claim that the present-day Jews are not descended from Judah-but rather from Edomites or other people."​

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Both.​

Jesus was a jew, therefore according to jewish law he was not a gentile. He was apparently not a Roman citizen, therefore he was a gentile according to Roman civil law.​

St. Paul began life as a jew and later became a Christian. In religious terms this technically this makes him a gentile. He was also a Roman citizen, so in legal terms he was not a gentile.​

You're not getting a straight answer because "gentile" meant two different things, depending on whether you were talking to a jew or to a Roman.​

The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41, says:"Edom is in Modern Jewery."


Does that make modern Jews Edomites?

According to your link Just because it says it,the Jews are Judah....



You have a serious problem(like most mainstream Christians) with using the word ''Jewish'' ;who cannot separate modern meanings from old meanings- It is only mentioned once in the Bible and is not applied to Israel or Judah.



For example: two of the best known 18th century editions of the New Testament in English are the Rheims (Douai) Edition and the King James Authorized Edition and both contain the word word "Jew." Yet, when the English language version of the Rheims (Douai) New Testament was first printed in 1582 the word "Jew" did NOT appear in it. Similarly the King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English (begun in 1604) and first published in 1611, here too the word "Jew" did NOT appear. That is, the word "Jew" first appeared in both these well known editions in their 18th century revised versions. The combination of the Protestant Reformation, the publication of the revised English language 18th century editions and the printing press (allowing unlimited quantities of the New Testament to be printed) meant the wide distribution of these English language Bibles throughout the English speaking world. That is, among people who had never possessed a copy of the New Testament in any language but who were now in possession of one in their native tongue. And, although these 18th century editions first introduced the word "Jew" to the English language the word as it was used in these has since continued in use in all the editions of the New Testament in the English language

Origin of the Word Jew

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Origin of the Word Jew

The opening passage from that link (overlordsofchaos.com)

"Unfortunately for the people of the world everything is going according to the New World Order Plan. But what is this New World Order Plan? In a nutshell the Plan is this. The Dark Agenda of the secret planners of the New World Order is to reduce the world's population to a "sustainable" level "in perpetual balance with nature" by a ruthless Population Control Agenda via Population and Reproduction Control. A Mass Culling of the People via Planned Parenthood, toxic adulteration of water and food supplies, release of weaponised man-made viruses, man-made pandemics, mass vaccination campaigns and a planned Third World War. Then, the Dark Agenda will impose upon the drastically reduced world population a global feudal-fascist state with a World Government, World Religion, World Army, World Central Bank, World Currency and a micro-chipped population. In short, to kill 90% of the world's population and to control all aspects of the human condition and thus rule everyone, everywhere from the cradle to the grave."
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Yeah, I have my doubts about that source ...

From the Online Etymology Dictionary:

Jew (n.) "Jew," from Y'hudah "Judah," lit. "celebrated," name of Jacob's fourth son and of the tribe descended from him. Replaced O.E. Iudeas "the Jews." Originally, "Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah."

Judah. masc. proper name, biblical son of Jacob by Leah, also the name of a tribe of Israel

Israel. O.E., "the Jewish people," from L. Israel, from Gk., from Heb. yisra'el "he that striveth with God" (Gen. xxxii.28), symbolic proper name conferred on Jacob and extended to his descendants
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You have a serious problem(like most mainstream Christians) with using the word ''Jewish'' ;who cannot separate modern meanings from old meanings- It is only mentioned once in the Bible and is not applied to Israel or Judah.

Ezra 5:1 "Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them".

I even used the King James version, just for you.

 

[Gozreht]

The Jews are not of Judah - Judah was made up of all Tribes of Israel.

So they aren't lost since the ones lost were taken by the Assyrians, Judah wasn't. Where is your consistency?

Jesus and the Apostles were not Romans that makes them Gentiles. YES or NO?

I have answered this twice already. I am speaking biblically, they were not Gentiles. I don't care what the Romans thought of them.

Is that Natalie portman,the first picture?

Oh,yeah! That is why I put her here. She is Israeli. She is not white European. She may have other blood in her that wasn't your point. The other lady is full blooded Middle Eastern. You said whites are the ones with this trait of being beautiful. That would be highly incorrect. Hitler may have had a woman, but he was in a powerful position. He was butt ugly, period. I guess he was a jew.

 

[Isreal]

You have referred to DNA testing a couple of times. How in the world is this accurate if there has been som many mixings of the races? I can see physical characteristics being handed down but a whole DNA separate from other human DNA?? Isn't it all different from person to person anyway? Even family members have different DNA.

Some sceintist claim DNA can be traced back to Adam. I dunno. The charts show that many strains of the DNA code remain similar among a group of people while other portions of the code show diversity per individuals..
Haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I lean more towards the end of the age for this one.

I think Jacobs trouble is at End of the ages.

Again, if they are lost, then how did they get this message? If Peter and James were writing to a group they didn't know the location of then who woulod have delivered it. If they knew they were in these places then they weren't apparently too lost.

They were lost in the sense that they were not in their old Homeland. The apostles knew where they were. In Fact, Saul/Paul of Tarsus was from the lower region of the lost tribes. Chirst the kinsmen redeemer came back to redeem the lost sheep of the house of Israel and the gospel was passed to them. Yahweh was moving them to a new land as he had promised where they would not fight all the time as before.

I am not quite for sure where you get all of these promises. I see three; being a great nation, receiving the Promised Land, his seed in Isaac blesses the world. Sure I can see how you can fit your ideas into this theologically but there are some problems just with these three. If we belong to Christ we are "Abraham's seed". Through us, those who call upon Christ as our savior bless the world. This could be of any race. It is in Egypt that Israel becomes a nation. Once it becomes a nation, spiritually it remains a nation. You or dagelos has made the argumeny as well that jews are not as numerous as the sands, but neither is the whole human race. This is clearly a metaphoric statement, and you are talking to a man who thinks the bible is mostly literal. Exodus says Isreal became as numerous as the stars, so since there was 600,000 of them does that mean there is only 600,000 stars or 600,000 garins of sand. Probably not. This is the nation that gained the Promised land, both "house" of Israel. When the kingdom split, why did Judah's kings remain mostly loyal to God when the northern kingdom was all evil?

the northern tribes were falling for the Canaanite religions. Read Hosea and see how Ephraim and his people all stooped to Baal worship which was a Canaanite religion.. They were sacrificing their chidlren to BAAL in the Hinnom Valley, known as Gehenna in Aramaic.

Even King David worshipped Astaroth which was from the Canaanites
and the Star of David came from this worship which was forbidden.
Canaanites influence was powerful and always dragged others into their evil ways.


Promises...

1. They will be without a king for a long time. HOSEA 3:4, "They shall abide many days without a king".
2. The throne will be in the sea and the people will rule over the sea. 2 SAMUEL 7:10: "And move no more". So Israel was to finally possess land. HOSEA 12:1: "Follow after the east wind = towards the west". PSALM 89:25: I will set David's hand (= Sceptre) into the sea; his throne is to be in the sea, and he will control the sea-routes."
3. This land is to the north-west of Israel. ISAIAH 49:3,6; In reference to Israel (Jacob). Verse 12: From far and from the north and from the west = north-west (there is no Hebrew word for north-west).
4. It is on a far-away island. JEREMIAH 31:9-10: In the isles "afar off".

"And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing…" GENESIS 12:2

"...he (Manasseh) also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother (Ephraim) shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations." GENESIS 48:19




Gen 24:60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.



Woooooooooo


Mother of thousands of Millions..
Sure isn't the Jews who are approximately 15 million



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GENESIS 48:19 “...he also shall become A PEOPLE, and he also shall be GREAT (Manasseh – America): but truly his younger brother shall be GREATER THAN HE, and HIS SEED SHALL BECOME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS”

Jews have not become a multitude nor any nation other than the one they stole as they pretend to be Judahites but do lie as in Rev 2:9 & 3:9

shlama



II Samuel 7:10
Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime."

I CHRONICLES 17:9, "Also I (God) will ordain a place for my people ISRAEL, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning." (When Israel was in Canaan.)


Israel was in the land of Canaan when this prophecy was made.

Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;




British Israel | Christian Assemblies International
Many excellent scriptures pertaining to Israel in a New land.

This makes me feel a little better about who you are. If you said that white people were the only ones saved I wouldn't even have a real conversation with you. It wouldn't bother me one but if white people were the missing tribes as long as the whole world can be still be saved. But I just can't see this. Most of the world's problems have also been caused by white people.

please tell mee how White people have caused worlds problems? I am aware of the world police of a few our countries but some of that is from outside influences and it isn't the will of the people.


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[Isreal]

You said whites are the ones with this trait of being beautiful. That would be highly incorrect. Hitler may have had a woman, but he was in a powerful position. He was butt ugly, period. I guess he was a jew.

lol

Hitler may have been a Rothchild bastard, Jewish.

There are many who believe this.
I think he built Germany up just to take them down.
Hitlers mustache was odd. But he was loved by the women.
I think women just love powerful men.

Jews mix with White people and all people.

Take a look at Olivia Newton John.
Her parents on one side were well known Jews.
She got her looks from her Welch Mom.




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[Notedstrangeperson]

please tell mee how White people have caused worlds problems?

We already know you "don't swallow Jewish lies and fables" so let's see what happens when somebody brings up white racism ...

 

[1an]

Passages?

The parents of Jesus were Jews of the line of David and you ask for passages!

Are you for real?


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[1an]

Which verse speak of Spiritual Israel?

Can you point out were ''Spiritual Israel'' is mentioned in the Bible?

Paul was writing to Israelites. They were in the Romans,that is why terms such as....

Paul write ''Israelite '' Romans 11:1
''Abraham our father'' Romans 4:1
''our father Isaac'' Romans 9:10
''my kinsmen according to the flesh'' Romans 9:3
''For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel'' Romans 9:6
''God for Israel'' Romans 10:1

They would be meaningless to non-Israelite.

Terms like ''Brethren'' could only be applied to Israel - Not Spiritual Israel.

As for grafting in,you cannot graft an apple or pear or any other type of fruit on to an olive branch.

Only Israel is likened to an olive - not Spiritual Israel.

Romans 9:3:For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,

- New International Version

Romans 9:3:For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Kinsmen = 4773. suggenes soong-ghen-ace' from 4862 and 1085; a relative (by blood); by extension, a fellow countryman:--cousin, kin(-sfolk, -sman).

Romans 9:4:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

This does not say ''Spiritual Israel.''


Jesus came only for Israel.

Acts 5:30:The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13:23:Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Acts 2:22:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:



Also,for the Jews to accept the Messiah in the future is to say the Jews will be saved even though they are anti-Christian,they can sin,but will at some latter day expect Jesus.
That is not Biblical,can you point out where the Jews will accept Jesus in the future?

from the Talmud, Kethuboth 111a) In other words, to call the Jewish people the Messiah is no metaphor; they are literally just that; they are the "Messiah," says the Talmud.

Why would the Jews in the state of Israel accept Jesus in the future when they consider themselves the Messiah?

If you want verses about spiritual Israel read my signature, they have been there in front of your eyes all this time and you would see them if you were not so blinded.


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[Keachian]

Which verse speak of Spiritual Israel?

You gotta be kidding me right, the whole of Romans 11 spells out the place of the believers who are not of physical Israel.

Can you point out were ''Spiritual Israel'' is mentioned in the Bible?

Let's start with Romans 11.

Paul was writing to Israelites. They were in the Romans,that is why terms such as....

Paul write ''Israelite '' Romans 11:1

I don't have a problem with that

''Abraham our father'' Romans 4:1
''our father Isaac'' Romans 9:10

Isn't God also our Father? Are you saying that we must be physically descended from God to be counted as his sons?

''my kinsmen according to the flesh'' Romans 9:3

Isn't this verse saying more that Paul's kinsmen are not of Christ?

''For they are not all [physical] Israel, which are of [spiritual] Israel'' Romans 9:6

ftfy

''paryer to God for Israel ... that they may be saved.'' Romans 10:1

ftfy

They would be meaningless to non-Israelite.

Do you pray for the people around you? Is it meaningless to pray for the people around you?

Terms like ''Brethren'' could only be applied to Israel - Not Spiritual Israel.

What did Christ say when told about his physical brethren and even his mother?
"These my followers are my brothers, for whoever follows my commandments they are my brother, sister, and mother" paraphrased a bit doing it from memory sosumi

As for grafting in,you cannot graft an apple or pear or any other type of fruit on to an olive branch.

This company seems to think otherwise, The Fruit Salad Tree Company Home Page I have a tree from them it's flourishing quite nicely.

Only Israel is likened to an olive - not Spiritual Israel.

You're wrong.

the rest of your post is basically "look at me I know words." meanwhile I'm saying look at the sentences, the paragraphs and the arguments being laid forth.

 

[Isreal]

The parents of Jesus were Jews of the line of David and you ask for passages!

Are you for real?


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The term Jew is the problem. So many people in the churches just accept it the way it is defined by those calling themselves Jews.

You don't see that there was a problem with some calling themselves a Jew or rather should be Judean? Rev 2:9 & 3:9 ?

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

They have influenced the world to believe lies. The word in those passages should be Judean instead of Jew. But the adversary loves to confuse so he can mislead.

There is only one group in the world calling themselves Jews and only Jews have syngagues. There have been many of these people to tell the world that they were not Hebrews and yet you people just can't get this.




Under the heading of “A brief History of the Terms for Jew” in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”

— 1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3 (the writer is obliquely referring to the true history of the Eastern European Ashkenazim, or Khazars).


Jer 49:15 For, lo, I will make thee small among the heathen, and despised among men.


"Edom is in modern Jewry." —The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol.5, p.41


Particularly gullible it seems to me

 

[1an]

The term Jew is the problem. So many people in the churches just accept it the way it is defined by those calling themselves Jews.

You don't see that there was a problem with some calling themselves a Jew or rather should be Judean? Rev 2:9 & 3:9 ?

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

They have influenced the world to believe lies. The word in those passages should be Judean instead of Jew. But the adversary loves to confuse so he can mislead.

There is only one group in the world calling themselves Jews and only Jews have syngagues. There have been many of these people to tell the world that they were not Hebrews and yet you people just can't get this.

Under the heading of “A brief History of the Terms for Jew” in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”

— 1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3 (the writer is obliquely referring to the true history of the Eastern European Ashkenazim, or Khazars).

Jer 49:15 For, lo, I will make thee small among the heathen, and despised among men.

"Edom is in modern Jewry." —The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol.5, p.41

Particularly gullible it seems to me

The term for Jew might be a problem for you but not for the rest of us.

Jesus was of the Royal line of Judah and the whole fabric of B.I. is based around the Royal Line of David. If you take Jesus out of it then the whole B.I. theory falls apart.

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[Keachian]

The term for Jew might be a problem for you but not for the rest of us.

Jesus was of the Royal line of Judah and the whole fabric of B.I. is based around the Royal Line of David. If you take Jesus out of it then the whole B.I. theory falls apart.

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I find that partly interesting in that they have the Queen as of the line of David when they want the 10 tribes to be in Britain doesn't really work when the line of David was of Judah, ie. not a part of the 10 tribes.

Also I love how they use verses about Spiritual Israel (and clearly so) to talk about Physical Israel, take Rev 2:9 it clearly talks of how those still tied to the Law of Moses are no longer Israel but rather the body of Believers in Christ regardless of their ancestry are Israel.

 

[1an]

I find that partly interesting in that they have the Queen as of the line of David when they want the 10 tribes to be in Britain doesn't really work when the line of David was of Judah, ie. not a part of the 10 tribes.

That is a good point.

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