Does Cain’s punishment support evolution?

[Keachian]

I've had enough of dealing in New Covenant with them as it seems like a fruitless case considering they're using all of the Spiritual Israel passages to mean Physical Israel.

Let's go Old Testament on them:
There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.

Here we have God laying out conversions into the promise, the people who wanted to take part in the Passover meal

When Prophesying about Christ Isaiah says this:
I will give you as a covenant for the people a light for the nations,

And the nations shall come to your light.

 

[1an]

I've had enough of dealing in New Covenant with them as it seems like a fruitless case considering they're using all of the Spiritual Israel passages to mean Physical Israel.

Let's go Old Testament on them:
There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.

Here we have God laying out conversions into the promise, the people who wanted to take part in the Passover meal

When Prophesying about Christ Isaiah says this:
I will give you as a covenant for the people a light for the nations,

And the nations shall come to your light.

Again the message goes out to the ends of the earth.

"Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other."

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[1an]

And again : -

Isaiah 49:22 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I will beckon to the Gentiles, I will lift up my banner to the peoples; they will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders.

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[Keachian]

And again : -

Isaiah 49:22 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I will beckon to the Gentiles, I will lift up my banner to the peoples; they will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders.

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I think this one is rather striking in what it is saying, to me it is saying that by the Pagan countries coming into the promise they will bring the ten tribes back into Israel, not that out of the nations will the ten tribes come back.

 

[1an]

I think this one is rather striking in what it is saying, to me it is saying that by the Pagan countries coming into the promise they will bring the ten tribes back into Israel, not that out of the nations will the ten tribes come back.

Isaiah 45 ties in with chapters 60 to 62 of Isaiah that are about the gathering of the nations in the latter days. In Luke 4:16-21 Jesus reads from Isa 61:1-11 (highlighted) and applies it to himself.

16 Now Jesus came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,

18 ​​​​​​​“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and the regaining of sight to the blind,
to set free those who are oppressed,
19 ​​​​​​​to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 Then he began to tell them, “Today this scripture has been fulfilled even as you heard it being read.”

These Jews are in spiritual bondage, they are blind to the truth and Jesus is saying he has come to set them free. Likewise ALL nations.

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[Isreal]

That is a good point.

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You people just don't get words.
The 12 tribes were scattered abroad according to James 1:1
Why do you claim 10?

You still can't provide facts for the fulfillment of prophecies concerning Abraham that reveal the Jews as of Judah or Israel. Jews fulfill prophecies of Esau and even boast of being Esau's kin.

You people are just blind the truth here. It obviously has not been revealed to you... yet

Esau's lies have filled the church and allowed Esau to grab his inheritance back just as he vowed to his brother. He has also slaughtered his brothers kin and will do again. He has even made Jacob feel ashamed for the crimes that he commits. The mysteries of YHWH are amazing yet you all fall for lies from the blind guides and defend what you've been taught, falsely, all your lives. You're not defending the word because it makes no sense to you.


Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and the affliction, and the poverty, (yet thou art rich) and the railing which is from them who say they are Jews, and they are not, but are of the congregation of Satan.


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[1an]

You people just don't get words.
The 12 tribes were scattered abroad according to James 1:1
Why do you claim 10?

You still can't provide facts for the fulfillment of prophecies concerning Abraham that reveal the Jews as of Judah or Israel. Jews fulfill prophecies of Esau and even boast of being Esau's kin.

You people are just blind the truth here. It obviously has not been revealed to you... yet

Esau's lies have filled the church and allowed Esau to grab his inheritance back just as he vowed to his brother. He has also slaughtered his brothers kin and will do again. He has even made Jacob feel ashamed for the crimes that he commits. The mysteries of YHWH are amazing yet you all fall for lies from the blind guides and defend what you've been taught, falsely, all your lives. You're not defending the word because it makes no sense to you.


Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and the affliction, and the poverty, (yet thou art rich) and the railing which is from them who say they are Jews, and they are not, but are of the congregation of Satan. ..

Read Galatians 4.

Sonship in Christ


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[1an]

You people just don't get words.
The 12 tribes were scattered abroad according to James 1:1
Why do you claim 10?

You still can't provide facts for the fulfillment of prophecies concerning Abraham that reveal the Jews as of Judah or Israel. Jews fulfill prophecies of Esau and even boast of being Esau's kin.

You people are just blind the truth here. It obviously has not been revealed to you... yet

Esau's lies have filled the church and allowed Esau to grab his inheritance back just as he vowed to his brother. He has also slaughtered his brothers kin and will do again. He has even made Jacob feel ashamed for the crimes that he commits. The mysteries of YHWH are amazing yet you all fall for lies from the blind guides and defend what you've been taught, falsely, all your lives. You're not defending the word because it makes no sense to you.


Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and the affliction, and the poverty, (yet thou art rich) and the railing which is from them who say they are Jews, and they are not, but are of the congregation of Satan. ..

The phrase "To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations" in James 1:1 does not mean all the readers of James letters were Jews, far from it because he was writing to Christians who were both Jew and Gentile. What it means is that James thought of them as the people of God who are the true Israel. Whether they were Jews or Gentiles they are the new people of God, see below.

Gal 6:15 "For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision matters. Rather, what matters is being a new creation. Now may peace be on all those who live by this principle, and may mercy be on the Israel of God."

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[dagelos]

If you want verses about spiritual Israel read my signature, they have been there in front of your eyes all this time and you would see them if you were not so blinded.


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Where in the Bible does it say ''Spiritual Israel''?

 

[1an]

Where in the Bible does it say ''Spiritual Israel''?

The Israel of God.

Gal 6:15 "For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision matters. Rather, what matters is being a new creation. Now may peace be on all those who live by this principle, and may mercy be on the Israel of God."

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[dagelos]

You gotta be kidding me right, the whole of Romans 11 spells out the place of the believers who are not of physical Israel.


Let's start with Romans 11.


I don't have a problem with that


Isn't God also our Father? Are you saying that we must be physically descended from God to be counted as his sons?


Isn't this verse saying more that Paul's kinsmen are not of Christ?


ftfy


ftfy


Do you pray for the people around you? Is it meaningless to pray for the people around you?


What did Christ say when told about his physical brethren and even his mother?
"These my followers are my brothers, for whoever follows my commandments they are my brother, sister, and mother" paraphrased a bit doing it from memory sosumi


This company seems to think otherwise, The Fruit Salad Tree Company Home Page I have a tree from them it's flourishing quite nicely.



You're wrong.

the rest of your post is basically "look at me I know words." meanwhile I'm saying look at the sentences, the paragraphs and the arguments being laid forth.

Romans 11 has nothing to do with Spiritual Israel.

You have to remember Paul was writing to Israelites.

Romans 9:3-4:3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

This verse doesn't imply Paul's kinsmen were not of Christ - look up Kinsmen in a Strong's Concordance.

4773. suggenes soong-ghen-ace' from 4862 and 1085; a relative (by blood); by extension, a fellow countryman:--cousin, kin(-sfolk, -sman).

Romans 9:6:Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

This is referring to Israel - go back in the OT.

Nehemiah 13:23-24:23In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: 24And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.


Ezra 10:10:And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.


Ezra 10:44:All these had taken strange wives: and some of them had wives by whom they had children.


Romans 10:1:Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.


''for Israel''






I said - Only Israel is likened to an olive - not Spiritual Israel.

You said -You're wrong.


- Jeremiah 11:16:The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

 

[1an]

6 "Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, so then, understand that those who believe are the sons of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the gospel to Abraham ahead of time, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” So then those who believe are blessed along with Abraham the believer."

It is not where you or your ancestors were born it is whether you believe and follow God.

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[dagelos]

So they aren't lost since the ones lost were taken by the Assyrians, Judah wasn't. Where is your consistency?
I have answered this twice already. I am speaking biblically, they were not Gentiles. I don't care what the Romans thought of them.
Oh,yeah! That is why I put her here. She is Israeli. She is not white European. She may have other blood in her that wasn't your point. The other lady is full blooded Middle Eastern. You said whites are the ones with this trait of being beautiful. That would be highly incorrect. Hitler may have had a woman, but he was in a powerful position. He was butt ugly, period. I guess he was a jew.

Judah was taken in to Assyrian Captivity.

2 Kings 18:13:Now in the fourteenth year of king Hezekiah did Sennacherib king of Assyria come up against all the fenced cities of Judah, and took them.



Natalie portman is a Jew

Take a browse through their Talmud.

The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today - Elizabeth Dilling - Come and Hear

Halakhah.com Babylonian Talmud Online in English - Babylonian Talmud online

 

[dagelos]

6 "Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, so then, understand that those who believe are the sons of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the gospel to Abraham ahead of time, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” So then those who believe are blessed along with Abraham the believer."

It is not where you or your ancestors were born it is whether you believe and follow Him.

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The problem with mainstream Christianity is they pick verses out of the NT and apply it to them with a total disregard as to who the letters were been written to.



Galatians was written to Israel,like what you posted...

Galatians 4:4-5:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.


Only Israel was under the law.

 

[dagelos]

The opening passage from that link (overlordsofchaos.com)

"Unfortunately for the people of the world everything is going according to the New World Order Plan. But what is this New World Order Plan? In a nutshell the Plan is this. The Dark Agenda of the secret planners of the New World Order is to reduce the world's population to a "sustainable" level "in perpetual balance with nature" by a ruthless Population Control Agenda via Population and Reproduction Control. A Mass Culling of the People via Planned Parenthood, toxic adulteration of water and food supplies, release of weaponised man-made viruses, man-made pandemics, mass vaccination campaigns and a planned Third World War. Then, the Dark Agenda will impose upon the drastically reduced world population a global feudal-fascist state with a World Government, World Religion, World Army, World Central Bank, World Currency and a micro-chipped population. In short, to kill 90% of the world's population and to control all aspects of the human condition and thus rule everyone, everywhere from the cradle to the grave."
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Yeah, I have my doubts about that source ...

From the Online Etymology Dictionary:

Jew (n.) "Jew," from Y'hudah "Judah," lit. "celebrated," name of Jacob's fourth son and of the tribe descended from him. Replaced O.E. Iudeas "the Jews." Originally, "Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah."

Judah. masc. proper name, biblical son of Jacob by Leah, also the name of a tribe of Israel

Israel. O.E., "the Jewish people," from L. Israel, from Gk., from Heb. yisra'el "he that striveth with God" (Gen. xxxii.28), symbolic proper name conferred on Jacob and extended to his descendants
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Ezra 5:1 "Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them".

I even used the King James version, just for you.

Jews from that passage in Ezra is in Strong's defined as....
3062 Yhuwda'iy yeh-hoo-daw-ee' (Aramaic) patrial from 3061; a Jehudaite (or Judaite), i.e. Jew:--Jew.
3061 Yhuwd yeh-hood' (Aramaic) contracted from a form corresponding to 3063; properly, Judah, hence, Judaea:--Jewry, Judah, Judea.


It doesn't cease to amaze me that you keep using modern sources i.e modern definition to define words thousands of years old....

....A Strong's Exhaustive Concordance would be good to define words.....

 

[Keachian]

Romans 11 has nothing to do with Spiritual Israel.

It has everything to do with that idea.

You have to remember Paul was writing to Israelites.

Really?
"To All those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints"

Romans 9:3-4 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 9:6:Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all [spiritual] Israel, which are of [physical] Israel:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

This is referring to how those that deny Christ are not a part of the promise and how those who accept Christ but are not of physical descension are also of the promise.

 

[1an]

The problem with mainstream Christianity is they pick verses out of the NT and apply it to them with a total disregard as to who the letters were been written to.

Galatians was written to Israel,like what you posted...

Galatians 4:4-5:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Only Israel was under the law.

You foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell on you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified! The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? Although you began with the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by human effort? Have you suffered so many things for nothing? – if indeed it was for nothing. Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?

Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, so then, understand that those who believe are the sons of Abraham. (That includes Gentiles, The Jews needed freeing from the law otherwise they are doomed.)

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[dagelos]

It has everything to do with that idea.


Really?
"To All those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints"


Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

This is referring to how those that deny Christ are not a part of the promise and how those who accept Christ but are not of physical descension are also of the promise.

Romans 11 has nothing to do with Spiritual Israel.

Romans 11 KJV - I say then, Hath God cast away his - Bible Gateway


Please,define Gentiles from a Strong's Concordance and then apply the definition to Romans 11



Only Israel was called saints.

Deuteronomy 33:2:And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

As for Romans 9 you quoted,you are picking verses and applying it to ''non-Jews'' with a total disregards to who Romans was written to,read Romans 9:3-4


Read Romans 9:6 again....

This is referring to Israel. - Read the passages about Nehemiah and Ezra.

Genesis 21:12:And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

 

[dagelos]

You foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell on you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified! The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? Although you began with the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by human effort? Have you suffered so many things for nothing? – if indeed it was for nothing. Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?

Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, so then, understand that those who believe are the sons of Abraham. (That includes Gentiles, The Jews needed freeing from the law otherwise they are doomed.)

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Alright,so you are picking verse from Galatians and applying them to non-Jews,when Galatians was written to Israel?

 

[Keachian]

Romans 11 has nothing to do with Spiritual Israel.

Romans 11 KJV - I say then, Hath God cast away his - Bible Gateway


Please,define Gentiles from a Strong's Concordance and then apply the definition to Romans 11

Paul uses ethnos, and he contrasts ethnos to Israelite in the two halves of Romans 11. There is no need to do this contrast if Israel is exclusively who he is talking to. If we look at v14 we see that he wants the ethnos to provoke those who are his flesh to come back to God, this is incredibly striking why would anyone be provoked to obey their father because someone who they consider their brother is getting the reward promised to all brothers, isn't that their due as brothers? Instead Paul here is saying that his brothers have cause to be provoked because of these ethnos believers, it makes no sense to hold them as the lost tribes of Israel but rather as converts to Messianic Hebrewism from paganism.

Only Israel was called saints.

Only in your world

As for Romans 9 you quoted,you are picking verses and applying it to ''non-Jews'' with a total disregards to who Romans was written to,read Romans 9:3-4

No I'm not throughout Romans Paul contrasts ethnos with Israel

Genesis 21:12:And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Part of what God is doing is promising the Messiah to Abraham, specifically in his promise that by his seed all nations would be blessed, if Christ is only for the Jews then this promise is unfulfilled.