Does Cain’s punishment support evolution?

[Keachian]

Alright,so you are picking verse from Galatians and applying them to non-Jews,when Galatians was written to Israel?

"To the communities of Galatia"

doesn't actually say anything about Galatians being written to Israel. But rather to a nondescript group of people making a community in Galatia...

 

[1an]

Alright,so you are picking verse from Galatians and applying them to non-Jews,when Galatians was written to Israel?

I am saying, or rather the Bible is saying, that the Galatians were foolish because they did not believe, this is what we mean by spiritual Israel which is those who believe like Abraham did.

The children of God are those who believe and most of the Old Testament people did not believe, so the Gentile believers become the children of God instead of the Jews.

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[Gozreht]

Some sceintist claim DNA can be traced back to Adam. I dunno. The charts show that many strains of the DNA code remain similar among a group of people while other portions of the code show diversity per individuals..

I get weary of science in these areas; eugenics, evolution, natural selection and things to this nature are sometimes too close to racism. However, I agree that all DNA can be traced back to Adam, but I thought you would disagree with that.

I think Jacobs trouble is at End of the ages.

Agreed. Just different ways of it being "his trouble" I guess.

They were lost in the sense that they were not in their old Homeland. The apostles knew where they were. In Fact, Saul/Paul of Tarsus was from the lower region of the lost tribes. Chirst the kinsmen redeemer came back to redeem the lost sheep of the house of Israel and the gospel was passed to them. Yahweh was moving them to a new land as he had promised where they would not fight all the time as before.

The human race fights no matter where they are. And most of the most famous and deadliest wars were European-led or European-centered and a lot based on greed of this common wealth that you have mentioned, i.e., the British Empire. If Christ was to come back for THESE lost sheep then why did He come back to Judea to start? Why wouldn't he come to England or Rome? Wouldn't it have made more sense and given Him more authenticity that when He said lost sheep He was referring to them?

the northern tribes were falling for the Canaanite religions. Read Hosea and see how Ephraim and his people all stooped to Baal worship which was a Canaanite religion.. They were sacrificing their chidlren to BAAL in the Hinnom Valley, known as Gehenna in Aramaic.

Even King David worshipped Astaroth which was from the Canaanites
and the Star of David came from this worship which was forbidden.
Canaanites influence was powerful and always dragged others into their evil ways.

Why is this important. I have read so much I lost track of why you would mention this.

I add red to the following as questions or comments

Promises...

1. They will be without a king for a long time. HOSEA 3:4, "They shall abide many days without a king". Then how is it that the throne of David would always be occupied if their king is no more?
2. The throne will be in the sea and the people will rule over the sea. 2 SAMUEL 7:10: "And move no more". So Israel was to finally possess land. HOSEA 12:1: "Follow after the east wind = towards the west". PSALM 89:25: I will set David's hand (= Sceptre) into the sea; his throne is to be in the sea, and he will control the sea-routes." Well, this is just one line out of many things he will "control". And why did Ephraim go to the west? It says he multiplied lies and violence. Does this mean Europe was violent because of this passage? I would say no, not based on this verse. But the reason why is because I think this is a deeper prophecy, based more on spirituality, just like the passage about David would be.
3. This land is to the north-west of Israel. ISAIAH 49:3,6; In reference to Israel (Jacob). Verse 12: From far and from the north and from the west = north-west (there is no Hebrew word for north-west). Isaiah also establishes that Israel (Israelites) and Gentiles were different. Jesus was Israelite but not Gentile then. Verse 12 to me just says that from all over the world will Israel be restored, such as we are seeing now where people are flying into Israel reestablishing the nation.
4. It is on a far-away island. JEREMIAH 31:9-10: In the isles "afar off". Yes, but these could be anywhere or symbolic of just saying "from everywhere".

Mother of thousands of Millions...Sure isn't the Jews who are approximately 15 million

Well, be careful, my name has Jewish background. Could I be considered Jewish? Maybe with the right definition. So 15 million claim to be religiously Jewish but there may be way more. I could be 15,000,001 and so forth. We can not possibly know how many people have Jewish blood in them.

Jews have not become a multitude nor any nation other than the one they stole as they pretend to be Judahites but do lie as in Rev 2:9 & 3:9

Stole? How about given to them by Britain and the Balfour Declaration. Your own people giving Jews their homeland back.

please tell mee how White people have caused worlds problems? I am aware of the world police of a few our countries but some of that is from outside influences and it isn't the will of the people.

This list would be very long. I will name a few and I guess we could go from there.

The American Revolution- White against white. Ephraim versus Zerah? Probably not.

French Revolution, Napoleonic Wars.

British Revolution, British Civil War, The Glorious Revolution, The Hundred Years War, The French and Indian War (Seven Years War), The Irish Rebellion (Easter Uprising)

The German wars of independence, The Italian Wars of indpendence, the Balkan Wars, The Crimean Wars, The Peloponesian Wars

The Revolutions of 1848, The Spanish Armada and Queen Elizabeth I

The Crusades. The Thirty Years War.

World War One. World War Two. The Cold War era.

The Holocaust, imperialism and the roots of genocide in Africa, the British "divide and rule" in India creating hatred between Moslems and Hindus resulting in the partition of IndiaBosnian genocide, slaughter of Russians (Stalin), American Indian genocide, Mayan/Aztec genocide.

The slave trade.

I hope you don't think all of these were started by Jews.

 

[Gozreht]

Hitler may have been a Rothchild bastard, Jewish.

There are many who believe this.
I think he built Germany up just to take them down.
Hitlers mustache was odd. But he was loved by the women.
I think women just love powerful men.

Jews mix with White people and all people.

Take a look at Olivia Newton John.
Her parents on one side were well known Jews.
She got her looks from her Welch Mom.

He is still ugly, no matter what. He was loved by women because of his fetishes and him being a dictator. Do a poll and see how many women love him.

Olivia may reflect more of her mother but she got genes from both sides.

PS. Wouldn't that be Welsh? Welch is a grape jelly. Couldn't help myself.

 

[Gozreht]

I find that partly interesting in that they have the Queen as of the line of David when they want the 10 tribes to be in Britain doesn't really work when the line of David was of Judah, ie. not a part of the 10 tribes.

Not to mention that the list of kings in this family line jump from captivity in Assyria to Ireland and Argyleshire and Scotland to Britain, some at the same time, some 3000 miles apart and somehow still end up on someone else's throne.

 

[dagelos]

Paul uses ethnos, and he contrasts ethnos to Israelite in the two halves of Romans 11. There is no need to do this contrast if Israel is exclusively who he is talking to. If we look at v14 we see that he wants the ethnos to provoke those who are his flesh to come back to God, this is incredibly striking why would anyone be provoked to obey their father because someone who they consider their brother is getting the reward promised to all brothers, isn't that their due as brothers? Instead Paul here is saying that his brothers have cause to be provoked because of these ethnos believers, it makes no sense to hold them as the lost tribes of Israel but rather as converts to Messianic Hebrewism from paganism.


Only in your world


No I'm not throughout Romans Paul contrasts ethnos with Israel


Part of what God is doing is promising the Messiah to Abraham, specifically in his promise that by his seed all nations would be blessed, if Christ is only for the Jews then this promise is unfulfilled.

Only in your world

Ah,yes - Nothing to say except that?

Read Deuteronomy 33:2:And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Deuteronomy 33:3:Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.

Job 5:1:Call now, if there be any that will answer thee; and to which of the saints wilt thou turn?

Job 15:15:Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight.



Paul uses ethnos, and he contrasts ethnos to Israelite in the two halves of Romans 11. There is no need to do this contrast if Israel is exclusively who he is talking to. If we look at v14 we see that he wants the ethnos to provoke those who are his flesh to come back to God, this is incredibly striking why would anyone be provoked to obey their father because someone who they consider their brother is getting the reward promised to all brothers, isn't that their due as brothers? Instead Paul here is saying that his brothers have cause to be provoked because of these ethnos believers, it makes no sense to hold them as the lost tribes of Israel but rather as converts to Messianic Hebrewism from paganism.

The Ethnos are dispersed Israel.

1484. ethnos eth'-nos probably from 1486; a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually, by implication, pagan):--Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

A race as of the same habit - A Tribe - Nation,People.

John 11:52:And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Nation is the same meaning as above.

 

[Keachian]

Ok, why would the Paul's brothers be riled up over those from the lost tribes coming back to God?

 

[dagelos]

"To the communities of Galatia"

doesn't actually say anything about Galatians being written to Israel. But rather to a nondescript group of people making a community in Galatia...

Galatians 1:2:And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Galatians 1:3:Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Galatians 1:4:Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Galatians 1:11:But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Galatians 1:14:And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Galatians 2:4:And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Galatians 3:13:Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 4:4:But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Galatians 4:5:To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 4:12:Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.

Galatians 4:22:For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Galatians 4:23:But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Galatians 4:28:Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Galatians 4:31:So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Galatians 5:11:And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Galatians 5:13:For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Galatians 6:1:Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Galatians 6:18:Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

Brethren in Strong's Greek = 80. adephos ad-el-[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]' from 1 (as a connective particle) and delphus (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like 1):--brother.


Acts 18:23:And after he had spent some time there, he departed, and went over all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening all the disciples.

Country in Strong's Greek = 5561. chora kho'-rah feminine of a derivative of the base of 5490 through the idea of empty expanse; room, i.e. a space of territory (more or less extensive; often including its inhabitants):--coast, county, fields, ground, land, region. Compare 5117.


Acts 16:6:Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,

Region in Strong's Greek = 5561. chora kho'-rah feminine of a derivative of the base of 5490 through the idea of empty expanse; room, i.e. a space of territory (more or less extensive; often including its inhabitants):--coast, county, fields, ground, land, region. Compare 5117.

 

[dagelos]

I am saying, or rather the Bible is saying, that the Galatians were foolish because they did not believe, this is what we mean by spiritual Israel which is those who believe like Abraham did.

The children of God are those who believe and most of the Old Testament people did not believe, so the Gentile believers become the children of God instead of the Jews.

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Look up Gentile in a Strong's Concordance - it does not mean non-Jew.

Malachi 3:6:For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Point out a passage that says ''Spiritual Israel''?

 

[dagelos]

Ok, why would the Paul's brothers be riled up over those from the lost tribes coming back to God?

Riled?

 

[Gozreht]

"To the communities of Galatia"

doesn't actually say anything about Galatians being written to Israel. But rather to a nondescript group of people making a community in Galatia...

In the Greek, it is written to ekklesiai, which is translated as "congregations" or "churches". In Hebrew it is translated as "Messianic Communities", or those who believe in the Messiah.

 

[Gozreht]

I am saying, or rather the Bible is saying, that the Galatians were foolish because they did not believe, this is what we mean by spiritual Israel which is those who believe like Abraham did.

The children of God are those who believe and most of the Old Testament people did not believe, so the Gentile believers become the children of God instead of the Jews.

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1an,

Small issue here with me. Grafted into the vine not replaced on the vine. Jews are still God's people. His heart is still for them.

 

[Isreal]

Not to mention that the list of kings in this family line jump from captivity in Assyria to Ireland and Argyleshire and Scotland to Britain, some at the same time, some 3000 miles apart and somehow still end up on someone else's throne.

Again let me point out to you all that James 1:1 says all 12 tribes were scattered. Judea was full of Kenites and Idumeans in Christ day.
These were impostors but still called Judeans since they lived there and Judean was name for all residents at that time..




Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

You guys are missing many important points.



Also the lord had sent a remnant out of Judah many years before.


Isa 37:32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

King Milesius was a Zarahite of Judah.

 

[Gozreht]

Look up Gentile in a Strong's Concordance - it does not mean non-Jew.

When did Strong's Concordance become the authority anyway?

 

[Keachian]

1an,

Small issue here with me. Grafted into the vine not replaced on the vine. Jews are still God's people. His heart is still for them.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that.

 

[1an]

1an,

Small issue here with me. Grafted into the vine not replaced on the vine. Jews are still God's people. His heart is still for them.

Yes of course Jews are God's people, we all are, and we are all one in Christ.

I am having difficulty making people understand the all embracing nature of God. I think they have their own national God who only belongs the them?

I am sorry I gave the wrong impression.

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[1an]

Jews are not Gods chosen. Only those in Christ are.

As progmonk says.

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[artybloke]

Jews are not Gods chosen. Only those in Christ are.

That includes everybody then.

 

[Gozreht]

It is at this point I will leave this thread. I have now seen way too much hatred and things I am no longer willing to be a part of. It is wrong for some of these ideas to be said sue to anti-Torah, anti-Christ, and anti-Biblical meanings with some of these new posts.

So to finish, the OP: it is not evident in this case.

 

[Isreal]

That includes everybody then.

Yes all those in Christ.