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Hateful is hateful, I suppose, no matter who is doing the hating. The thing is, no one here is getting paid millions to pass off hatred as political commentary.Blemonds said:She hates what they stand for, that's for sure. Funny how she is called hateful yet the very people here who have demeaned her are not called hateful also. Is hatefulness OK when directed towards conservatives?
SuzQ said:Again, I don't doubt your credibility, Rahma. But, I would really like to see a credible source or link for that quote you keep using. I know you have provided me some blogs (like a Ted Nugent one? A Leftist America one?), but I would really like to see a credible news source, or perhaps something from an Ann Coulter source itself? I just hate to keep debating something that may very well be a rumor, or urban legend floating around the internet.
Care to be specific as to any hatefulness here?Randall McNally said:Hateful is hateful, I suppose, no matter who is doing the hating. The thing is, no one here is getting paid millions to pass off hatred as political commentary.
SuzQ said:#3. I loved how Ann Coulter is an idiot, but yet it's ok for a white, liberal male radio host to get away with calling Condi Rice "an Aunt Jemima" and have that NOT be racist or offensive???? Wow. That one blows me away. Yes, that was indeed in Dane Country. Um, where I live - so shall I find the column for you that an African-American, LIBERAL, woman wrote to the paper following that incident? It regarded that very label he gave to her - there was pure OUTRAGE that he used it at ALL, whether it's "justified" or not. I'm not African-American - so those who are & found it ok (mhatten), or those who are & were outraged (um, another CF person that doesn't post very much. Do you remember who it was, mhatten?) are really the ONLY ones who can give us credible opinions on that one, sir.
Oy, ve.
Jonathan David said:other than that..... I got nothing nice to say.
That's a classic justification for a racial epithet. I doubt that you would have made that justification had Trent Lott called any black woman an Aunt Jemimah, but I could be wrong.mhatten said:Oblivious I believe was the other poster.
No I was not offended by the aunt jemima comment because I just did not feel it was made in the tone it was said to be made in though of course I could be wrong.
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Blemonds said:That's a classic justification for a racial epithet. I doubt that you would have made that justification had Trent Lott called any black woman an Aunt Jemimah, but I could be wrong.
I'm astounded that in our day and age, people can make light of blatant racism merely because it comes from a liberal. But like you said, whatever floats your boat. But I would say that this detracts from any credibility you may have in future discussions on racismmhatten said:Ohh goody can I play.
But I would say that this detracts from any credibility you may have in future discussions on racism
From Ann Coulter? Actually, she was comparatively mild on Imus this morning.Blemonds said:Care to be specific as to any hatefulness here?
Blemonds said:I'm astounded that in our day and age, people can make light of blatant racism merely because it comes from a liberal.
But like you said, whatever floats your boat.
But I would say that this detracts from any credibility you may have in future discussions on racism
SuzQ said:Ok, when we've all returned from ROMPER ROOM, let me know. (Kidding!!!).
And, yes, Mhatten, you & I beat the "Aunt Jemima" thing into the ground a long time ago, that's for sure. You know I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree. You're cool.
Let's all be honest. Really if anyone is to blame, it continues to be, and will ALWAYS be the media. They constantly reward "controversial comments & hateful criticism" with giving airtime to people like Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Michael Moore, Dennis Miller, Bill O'Reilly, and Jon Stewart. There, I've covered somewhat obnoxious people on BOTH sides, as they've ALL said some pretty hate-provoking comments (even if there is an occassion where I like what one of them has to say every now & then.). Perhaps they can be more "tempered" or balanced with someone less controversial more often?
For example, personally, I find myself these days having more in common with Senator John McCain's views than anyone else. He's calm, reasonable, officially supported President Bush while continuing to compliment John Kerry, and just basically tries to get along & work TOGETHER with the Dems, not against them. (Yet, he's tough, as a former POW, & still lambasted Michael Moore as a "disengenious filmmaker"). Yep, that's about where I like to be.
SuzQ said:Then why did you post a follow-up to it? It looked suspiciously to some of us like you were defending him. And, no - what I meant in my post (and didn't specify, sorry - my bad), was that only a person of the race in question can tell us if it's "ok" to use a racist term, ala the "Aunt Jemima". (Even if many others were outraged). Mhatten is African-American & thought it was ok. I disagreed, but respected her opinion because it's applicable to her. I already said in an earlier post I thought it was despicable, so I indeed DID share my own personal opinion on the matter. My father is Puerto Rican (I lived there as a child), and would not want someone calling me ANYTHING that alludes to my race, gender, or nationality when discussing my career choices. See? It is racist, period, no matter how you paint it.
Hope that clears THAT up now. Sheesh.
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