Does Aging Prove Genesis Is True?

[BryanMaloney]

One of my favorites questions .. If evolution is so great then why didn't it evolve mitochondria and telomeres to prevent death and aging instead of mating and survival of the fittest ?

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Because evolution is not a way to ensure overall superiority. Evolution is a process of fits and starts, piecemeal and partial responses. It is not the best of all possible worlds, and NOBODY who actually UNDERSTANDS biology the tiniest little bit thinks that evolution theory proposes that the evolutionary process will lead to the best possible solution to any condition. However, liars PRETEND that this is what evolution theory proposes and then attack that straw man.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Absolutely not.

Well therein lies the main issue of our entire discussion. What authorities do you accept above or equal to the Bible?

 

[Speedwell]

Well therein lies the main issue of our entire discussion. What authorities do you accept above or equal to the Bible?

Sacred Tradition. But then, I am an Anglo-Catholic and put more stock in it than some. I believe that the official position of the Anglican Communion is that the faith rests equally on Scripture, Tradition and Reason.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Sacred Tradition. But then, I am an Anglo-Catholic and put more stock in it than some. I believe that the official position of the Anglican Communion is that the faith rests equally on Scripture, Tradition and Reason.

So when your traditions and your reasoning conflict with scripture, which do you exalt?

 

[Speedwell]

So when your traditions and your reasoning conflict with scripture, which do you exalt?

LOL! In which case one has either forgotten tradition, misunderstood scripture or misused reason.

But on the whole I favor Tradition. The church could survive without the Bible, but without Tradition the Bible would merely be a moderately interesting collection of ancient texts. In particular, I believe in the physical death and bodily resurrection of Christ, not because "it says so in the Bible" but because the companions of Christ believed it and passed that belief down to us, from believer to believer to this day.

What about you? Do you believe because you read about it in a book, or because someone you loved and trusted told you about it?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

LOL! In which case one has either forgotten tradition, misunderstood scripture or misused reason.

Scripture seems to be against much Catholic tradition and it is certainly against the reasoning of most people: that is why many simply reject the scriptures or they bend it to fit their reasoning.

 

[Speedwell]

Scripture seems to be against much Catholic tradition and it is certainly against the reasoning of most people: that is why many simply reject the scriptures or they bend it to fit their reasoning.

Read my post again. By "Tradition" I mean primarily the Apostolic Witness to the death and resurrection of Christ, not the doctrinal and liturgical accretions of the Roman Catholic Church.
And answer my question, if you please--it won't hurt you.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Read my post again. By "Tradition" I mean primarily the Apostolic Witness to the death and resurrection of Christ, not the doctrinal and liturgical accretions of the Roman Catholic Church.
And answer my question, if you please--it won't hurt you.

Sorry, I responded to your post too quickly to see all else you wrote. I believed the scriptures along with the Gospel when I was saved. The truth that the Holy Spirit gave to me alongside the Gospel was also that Genesis to Revelation was true. Nobody taught me this: I just believed it.

 

[Widlast]

If the goal of life according to evolution is to survive the longest, then why can't our cells survive past 120 years? They just give up, but why? Something to think about.

Your first assumption is wrong. The "goal" is to procreate. Once that is accomplished, you really are of no value from an evolutionary standpoint. Animals live just long enough to make sure that their progeny survive. Anything after that is just gravy and does not in any way improve the survivability of the species as a whole. Be happy that it takes as long for humans to mature as it does.

And Biblically, "the life of a man is three score and ten", 70 years. Historically, the average has been around 50, with it going as low as 35 years for average age of death in Medieval Italy. Some cultures do better than others, cleanliness helps.

 

[4x4toy]

Because evolution is not a way to ensure overall superiority. Evolution is a process of fits and starts, piecemeal and partial responses. It is not the best of all possible worlds, and NOBODY who actually UNDERSTANDS biology the tiniest little bit thinks that evolution theory proposes that the evolutionary process will lead to the best possible solution to any condition. However, liars PRETEND that this is what evolution theory proposes and then attack that straw man.

God said all men are liars so stick with his Word , God does not lie

 

[fat wee robin]

More , I believe every bit of the Bible as it is written including all of Genesis to Revelation plus all the gifts and signs of the Holy Spirit and I will contend for it all ..

Why ,if you don't like PC do you avoid taling us if you are male or female . For me it is
disconcerting as we ae given our s..... and there is good reason for that ?
I find the conversation interesting but cannot talk to a ?

 

[fat wee robin]

Evolution does deny God. It denies Him as creator and it denies His word as written in Genesis.

It does ,but many can't see that . However the 6 days are not the turning of the earth against the sun , but I believe the greater 'day' of the earth turning against the constellations .

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

It does ,but many can't see that . However the 6 days are not the turning of the earth against the sun , but I believe the greater 'day' of the earth turning against the constellations .

The earth turns against the constellations as well as the sun on a daily basis, they are 4 minutes out of sync with each other, that's all.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Hello everyone!

Allow me to explain my question... Biologically speaking, there is no real reason for us to age and die the way that we do. Why is it that every human being is aging at about the same rate, and dying naturally in the ballpark of 100-120 years?
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Biologically speaking, there is excellent reason for us to age and die the way we do. Large animals that we are, each of our cells are liable to develop a mutation that causes it to discard the normal restraints for division only as need for the greater good of the body, and simply begin dividing without stop. But the presence of telemeres causes such an unrestrained duplicating set of cells to run up against the ultimate limit of the number of divisions a cell can undergo . . . and the potential tumor is stopped in its tracks.

This has turned out to be better for our species . . . . and mammal species in general . . . and so we age and die, but our species carries on. This allows also for reproduction and therefore for evolution, without which we would not even be here as humans.

 

[Meowzltov]

Aging is really a function of cell death. As cells die, eventually systems shut down, until we die as whole beings.

I think your real question is what is the biological function of death. Death and birth are wrapped up in each other. If we lived forever, we would become stagnant, doing the same things over and over, going nowhere, experiencing nothing new. Instead God has allowed life to be constantly renewing. New life enters as old life exits, restoring new curiosity and enthusiasm for life. And because we have the cycle of life and death, constantly renewing, life can constantly evolve, meaning the earth is in a constant state of re-creation, an ever unfolding wonder of God's work. It's the difference between looking at one pattern forever, and looking into a changing kaleidoscope where no two moments are alike.

 

[Colter]

Death came specifically to Adam and Eve but the Persian concepts of original sin influenced the Hebrew authors of Genesis, so it was all garbled up into an inconsistent story.

 

[Razare]

.. wrong thread

 

[Colter]

If living creatures didn't die the earth would be really, really crowded!.......and hamburgers would be really weird!

 

[MariaIsabella]

Well, wait just a minute, just because someone believes in evolution does not mean that they doubt the existence of God. I'm a devout Christian but I also strongly believe in the tenets of evolution. If God can create people to be one way, surely God can also allow people to evolve as well. God is all powerful, after all, surely God can allow for change. Who are we to say that evolution is not in Gods image or Gods intention. Can you or I ever fully comprehend what God understands to be true? I know that surely a sense of wonder remains in the human mind, of what magical and beautiful things reside in the ethos of Gods creation.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Well, wait just a minute, just because someone believes in evolution does not mean that they doubt the existence of God. I'm a devout Christian but I also strongly believe in the tenets of evolution. If God can create people to be one way, surely God can also allow people to evolve as well. God is all powerful, after all, surely God can allow for change. Who are we to say that evolution is not in Gods image or Gods intention. Can you or I ever fully comprehend what God understands to be true? I know that surely a sense of wonder remains in the human mind, of what magical and beautiful things reside in the ethos of Gods creation.

Believing in God doesn't make you a devout Christian. Do you believe God's word? Jesus Christ? The Scriptures?