Does Aging Prove Genesis Is True?

[Speedwell]

Hello! Welcome!

Um, it seems pretty clear that it's the other way around.

Whoever wrote Genesis could observe that people don't live much past 100 or so. So he gave a few extra years for safety, and wrote down that "God said" people can't live past ~120. Of course he wouldn't write that people don't live past 80, because he could see that they do.

In Christ-

Papias

An etiological narrative? But don't you get it? "We are the only Real True Christians and we won't allow God to inspire anything but 100% accurate literal history."

 

[Speedwell]

.. Darwin sucker punched God's people but we've gotten back up and have evolution on the run as it's theories are being shot down daily ..

God's people? That's a bit arrogant, don't you think?

 

[4x4toy]

God's people? That's a bit arrogant, don't you think?

Ha , Well , I try not to hide or leave it where you have to read between the lines .. Don't care much for flattery or political correctness either ..

 

[Speedwell]

Ha , Well , I try not to hide or leave it where you have to read between the lines .. Don't care much for flattery or political correctness either ..

Good. Maybe I can get an honest answer for once.

What does it get you, this "Genesis is 100% accurate literal history or it's a LIE" thing? What essential point of Christian doctrine depends on it? Certainly nothing in the Nicene Creed or the rest of us would have noticed.

 

[4x4toy]

Good. Maybe I can get an honest answer for once.

What does it get you, this "Genesis is 100% accurate literal history or it's a LIE" thing? What essential point of Christian doctrine depends on it? Certainly nothing in the Nicene Creed or the rest of us would have noticed.

I have no problem nor do I have to ask others opinions .. I do value others opinions but if it doesn't line up with the Bible I don't believe it .. I don't value the Nicene Creed any more than some else's opinion .. Are you bound to it ?

 

[Speedwell]

I have no problem nor do I have to ask others opinions .. I do value others opinions but if it doesn't line up with the Bible I don't believe it .. I don't value the Nicene Creed any more than some else's opinion .. Are you bound to it ?

Bound to it? I take it to be a statement of the essential points of Christian doctrine. Do you differ with any of them?
Why should the opinion of the church fathers who composed it be of any less worth than your own personal opinion of "what lines up with the Bible."

 

[Papias]

I don't value the Nicene Creed any more than some else's opinion .. Are you bound to it ?

Yes, I am. And so are you, if you are going to post here. These forums are only for Christians who adhere to the Nicene creed, which is stated in the Rules.

http://www.christianforums.com/help/rules/

In Christ-

Papias

 

[4x4toy]

Bound to it? I take it to be a statement of the essential points of Christian doctrine. Do you differ with any of them?
Why should the opinion of the church fathers who composed it be of any less worth than your own personal opinion of "what lines up with the Bible."

More , I believe every bit of the Bible as it is written including all of Genesis to Revelation plus all the gifts and signs of the Holy Spirit and I will contend for it all ..

 

[Papias]

. So my question of why can't evolution solve the much simpler telomere problem would be valid to consider ..

Evolution is not perfect - far from it - and doesn't claim to be. however, if you are claiming that God micro-managed all this, then why didn't God solve the telomere problem? Along with hundreds of other completely bone-headed designs among animals?

.. God tells us the reason for death , evolution doesn't ..

What? Where does God tell us the reason for death?

.. .. Darwin sucker punched God's people but we've gotten back up and have evolution on the run as it's theories are being shot down daily .. People on this site are still clinging to out dated theories proven wrong or highly improbable , "ever learning but never coming to the Truth"

?? Um, you know that evolution was mostly developed by Christians, and today is supported mostly by Christians, and overwhelmingly taught by Christians? The biggest institutions teaching evolution to millions of people are Christian schools.

And evolution is better established every day. And evolution denial is shrinking. I'm not sure what you are basing your statement on, aside from perhaps person opinion or wishful thinking?

In Christ-

Papias

 

[Speedwell]

More , I believe every bit of the Bible as it is written including all of Genesis to Revelation plus all the gifts and signs of the Holy Spirit and I will contend for it all ..

So do I--it's your interpretation of it we are talking about.

 

[4x4toy]

God did solve the telomere problem at the cross ..

Death came by sin of one man passed down to us all ..

I don't care where or who evolution come from it is anti-Christ ..

Evolution is a lie ..

Every day closer to the End evil men will wax worse and deny God more .. It doesn't change the Truth but confirms it ..

 

[Speedwell]

God did solve the telomere problem at the cross ..

Death came by sin of one man passed down to us all ..

I don't care where or who evolution come from it is anti-Christ ..

Evolution is a lie ..

Every day closer to the End evil men will wax worse and deny God more .. It doesn't change the Truth but confirms it ..

No one here is denying God. The theory of evolution does not deny God.
What is the purpose of this slander? What is your real agenda here?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

No one here is denying God. The theory of evolution does not deny God.
What is the purpose of this slander? What is your real agenda here?

Evolution does deny God. It denies Him as creator and it denies His word as written in Genesis.

 

[4x4toy]

So do I--it's your interpretation of it we are talking about.

How is believing word for word an interpretation , it's taking the word as it is written to be explained another way is interpretation imo .. Only if I had a problem is the only way I could change it to my personal interpretation , right ?

 

[Speedwell]

How is believing word for word an interpretation , it's taking the word as it is written to be explained another way is interpretation imo .. Only if I had a problem is the only way I could change it to my personal interpretation , right ?

You take Genesis to be literal, inerrant and perspicuous. That is an interpretation.

 

[4x4toy]

You take Genesis to be literal, inerrant and perspicuous. That is an interpretation.

Tell God , I didn't write it , I just believe it ..

 

[Speedwell]

Evolution does deny God. It denies Him as creator and it denies His word as written in Genesis.

It does not deny God as creator. It makes no mention of God one way or the other, any more than gravity, electromagnetics or any other scientific theory. I'm sorry that it spoils your interpretation of Genesis, but I never held with it anyway, so my sympathy is somewhat limited.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

It does not deny God as creator. It makes no mention of God one way or the other, any more than gravity, electromagnetics or any other scientific theory. I'm sorry that it spoils your interpretation of Genesis, but I never held with it anyway, so my sympathy is somewhat limited.

How did we come into existence? God and His power, or random mutation and natural selection? Was it as written in Genesis, or as the teachers of this age say?

The historic and literal approach to Genesis is not an interpretation: it is how the book was written. Nowhere in Genesis is there any indication that the creation story was not literal, as God Himself speaks to Israel saying this:

Exodus 20:11
"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

 

[Colter]

Hello everyone!

Allow me to explain my question... Biologically speaking, there is no real reason for us to age and die the way that we do. Why is it that every human being is aging at about the same rate, and dying naturally in the ballpark of 100-120 years?

Genesis 6:3 has God shortening our lifespans to 120 years... Isn't it interesting that nobody can live much longer than this? I read on Google that a woman supposedly lived for 122 years, but that's still right in the ballpark. Can this be explained without the God of Genesis? I don't mean explaining how it happens, but rather why it happens. Apparently the people who wrote Genesis believed that man's days were only 120 years... With that being said, why is it still this way when we have "evolved" so much in society and medicine? The most healthy man alive can't get past 120 years.

Evidence for Genesis being true? I believe so.

Side question... Why is aging even a thing? Why do cells just start to shut down? If the goal of life according to evolution is to survive the longest, then why can't our cells survive past 120 years? They just give up, but why? Something to think about.

Natural death occurs when the bodies ability to repair itself, fight off disease etc. is overtaken by breakdown. Adam and Eves ability to sustain life indefinatly came from the Tree of Life, but after the sin, natural death of their mortal bodies was their fate. Genesis contains bits and pieces of older stories that conflict with the original sin theory.

Death is normal, this world never was to be our permanent home.

 

[4x4toy]

It does not deny God as creator. It makes no mention of God one way or the other, any more than gravity, electromagnetics or any other scientific theory. I'm sorry that it spoils your interpretation of Genesis, but I never held with it anyway, so my sympathy is somewhat limited.

I believe that Jesus genealogy mentioned in both Luke and Mathew of his mother and his legal but not biological father traced back to king David then back to the first created man Adam is accurate , do you ? Did Jesus ? How do you interpret that ?