"Do your research"

[AV1611VET]

Why do creationists have to speak out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand God cleaned it up. But on the other hand there's evidence for it everywhere, geologists et al are just too blind/stupid see it. So which is it? Is there evidence or isn't there? Pick one and stick with it.

God cleaned His mess up so thoroughly, you have to read the Documentation to see what happened, when it happened, where it happened, what order it happened in, why it happened, how long it took, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Science is myopic.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you explain why he cleaned up that flood, but failed to clean up any of the many millions of other floods, for which there is evidece? Floods that range from tiny overflows of small rivers, to continent spanning inundations! Why the selectivity?

Genesis 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

Someone once [rightly] point out that, had the Flood been just a local one, every flood on earth after that would violate the Noahic Covenant.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Genesis 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

Someone once [rightly] point out that, had the Flood been just a local one, every flood on earth after that would violate the Noahic Covenant.

So after this "flood", this "God" person invented refraction?

Did materials not have different indices of refraction before that?

Seems like changing physics is an overreaction to making a tiny mistake like global genocide.

 

[AV1611VET]

But the text doesn't say that Adam didn't have a scar.

If you were a doctor, and you could heal wounds like God did, would you do it?

Or would your sign say:

"Post op scar removal will add an additional 10% to your bill."

 

[AV1611VET]

So after this "flood", this "God" person invented refraction?

QV please:

Honest questions:

1. And what if the sunlight wasn't white until after the Flood?
2. And what if refraction and dispersion didn't operate back then like they do today?
3. And do you realize that, before the Flood, it had never rained?

 

[Hans Blaster]

If you were a doctor, and you could heal wounds like God did, would you do it?

But my point was the text doesn't say if there was a scar or not. You are adding to the text. (Some literalist you are.)

Or would your sign say:

"Post op scar removal will add an additional 10% to your bill."

But, physicians *do* charge for scar removal/reduction. (Not usually the ones who made them.) It also wouldn't surprise me there is a higher charge and a different billing code for wound closures that leave lighter scars.

 

[Astrid]

Nope. 'Research' often means YouTube, or a quote-mining site that supports their view, or obsolete science, or misinterpreted science (like OnePath, quote-mining and misreading Newton as 'proof' that Newton thought gravity was absurd )

One scientist against evolution disproves the theory

 

[Hans Blaster]

QV please:

So you've managed to type into CF every possible version of your extra-biblical fantasy like a million monkeys with typewriters. Cool.

There's a strange world in you head AV, I just wish any of the rest of us found it interesting.

 

[Astrid]

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[Astrid]

But God so effectively cleaned it up that literally not one scrap of evidence exists, even stuff that wouldn't have been a "safety hazard". It's almost like removing evidence. I wonder who does that sort of thing?

I understand why some people need Genesis to be literal truth for their faith, but I hope they realize that in so doing they create a version of God that comes across as being someone to go out of His way to hide truth from people.

I've never understood that version of God. I get the idea that "faith" is necessary but if God went out of his way to actively HIDE information that could lead people to Him (and he knows that some people are like Thomas and need something like evidence) then He's going out of his way to ensure some people never come to Him.

If God were just a regular dude I could see how He might confuse that point, but given that he knows all things and knows us down to every atom of ourselves it kind of makes me wonder if this version of God that hides things is kind of hoping for a certain cut to be damned.

That's why I don't understand that version of God. It doesn't comport with a God who so loved the world that He sacrificed Himself to Himself to atone us to Him.

They all pick and choose how much of what parts to believe.
Many think they are infallible.
But nobody believes Jesus is or was a door. Or a sheep.

 

[AV1611VET]

But my point was the text doesn't say if there was a scar or not. You are adding to the text. (Some literalist you are.)

Let's end this charade.

What's your assumption?

Did God leave a scar or not?

I say He didn't ... what say you?

Oh, that's right!

You're an atheist.

You have a GET OUT OF OPINION FREE card and can keep this charade going ad nauseum.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you've managed to type into CF every possible version of your extra-biblical fantasy like a million monkeys with typewriters. Cool.

Either that, or the Flood is my minor forte.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's end this charade.

What's your assumption?

Did God leave a scar or not?

I say He didn't ... what say you?

Oh, that's right!

You're an atheist.

You have a GET OUT OF OPINION FREE card and can keep this charade going ad nauseum.

The problem is that all of the evidence shows your beliefs to be wrong. You keep claiming God magic. Not proper miracles. When did the God magic stop?

 

[AV1611VET]

But nobody believes Jesus is or was a door. Or a sheep.

Serious question: Should we?

Just YES or NO please.

Oh, that's right!

You conveniently have me on either IGNORE or READ ONLY.

Smart.

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem is that all of the evidence shows your beliefs to be wrong.

What evidence?

If scientists thought it was wrong all along, why did they go out and look for it 200 years ago?

There must have been a time when scientists thought it was a search worth undertaking.

But, of course, history shows they didn't find anything, and so they prematurely stamped DID NOT HAPPEN on it, rather than relegate it to COLD CASE FILE.

2 Kings 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

 

[partinobodycular]

God cleaned His mess up so thoroughly, you have to read the Documentation to see what happened, when it happened, where it happened, what order it happened in, why it happened, how long it took, and who the eyewitnesses were.

So God magically repopulated the earth with plants and animals, but what about people? Did he magically repopulate them too? Otherwise they must have been in a flat out sprint, thinking heck we better get to that Bering Strait land bridge before it closes. We've got a whole South American civilization to create, temples to build, and phony artifacts to bury. We better hurry.

So where in your all-knowing text does it tell us how that was done?

 

[AV1611VET]

So God magically repopulated the earth with plants and animals,

No.

God MIRACULOUSLY repopulated the earth with flora and potable water.

... but what about people?

Good question.

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What do you think that blessing came in the form of?

Did he magically repopulate them too?

No.

Otherwise they must have been in a flat out sprint, thinking heck we better get to that Bering Strait land bridge before it closes.

What "Bering Strait"? *

We've got a whole South American civilization to create,

What "South America"? *

I'm under the impression that the earth was one giant landmass at the time.

What do you call it? Pangaea?

* And while I do like to say I think Noah lived in what is now New Jersey before the Flood, I always qualify it by saying "what is now."

 

[partinobodycular]

What "Bering Strait"? What "South America"?

I'm under the impression that the earth was one giant landmass at the time.

What do you call it? Pangaea?

Where's your evidence for that? Biblical or otherwise. You've suddenly wandered into fantasy land. If the land masses were moving that fast, then Noah's offspring wouldn't be repopulating anything...they'd be dead from the devastating environmental consequences!

Please try to maintain some small hold on reality.

 

[AV1611VET]

Where's your evidence for that? Biblical or otherwise.

Do you think I just pulled that word "Pangaea" out of thin air?

 

[partinobodycular]

Do you think I just pulled that word "Pangaea" out of thin air?

Of course you didn't pull "Pangaea" out of thin air, but the date that you've assigned to it attests to your complete lack of credibility. Do you understand the dire environmental consequences that would result from the continents racing around the globe at the speed that your scenario requires?