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Of course you didn't pull "Pangaea" out of thin air, but the date that you've assigned to it attests to your complete lack of credibility. Do you understand the dire environmental consequences that would result from the continents racing around the globe at the speed that your scenario requires?
When we see how God handled similar "problems," we can get a picture of His immense ability to protect His creation.

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Daniel 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.
 
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When we see how God handled similar "problems," we can get a picture of His immense ability to protect His creation.
That has absolutely zero explanatory power. So you're saying that God magically enabled Noah's descendants to survive inconceivably intense earthquakes, volcanoes, and their accompanying meteorological consequences, and build a civilization in South America, with temples sitting atop mountains that were rising at a rate of 20 feet per year while they did it.

And He managed to do this without anyone, anywhere in the entire world noticing. Nowhere in the entire bible or in any recorded text is there the slightest mention of these catastrophic upheavals. How is such a total absence of corroborating evidence even possible?

And you're simply expecting us to accept your explanation of "magic".
 
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What evidence?

If scientists thought it was wrong all along, why did they go out and look for it 200 years ago?

There must have been a time when scientists thought it was a search worth undertaking.

But, of course, history shows they didn't find anything, and so they prematurely stamped DID NOT HAPPEN on it, rather than relegate it to COLD CASE FILE.

2 Kings 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.
The evidence has been presented to you many times. You can no longer ask "what evidence". I will make a deal with you. Learn what is and is not evidence and you can ask for evidence every time that I post. Until you learn what is and what is not evidence you cannot make a valid demand for evidence.
 
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When we see how God handled similar "problems," we can get a picture of His immense ability to protect His creation.

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Daniel 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.
Sorry, but stories from the Bible are just stories until you demonstrate otherwise. In other words, it is not evidence, it is the claim.
 
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I find it ironic that the crowd that declares that they have 'done their research', upon being asked for verification/support for/evidence regarding their claims typically reply with a version of "do your own research"* almost never know what 'research' actually is, and never question the sources that provide them with the 'answers' that they want to hear.

The 'do your research'/'I did my research' mantra has become a common antic among anti-science types in general, from generic conspiracy nuts ('the WTC were demolished by Mossad agents using radiation-less mini-nukes planted in the basements that were able to direct their energy to exit at the precise location the planes struck'**) to antivaxxers ('the jab gave me herpes!'***) to creationists.

I was a 'victim' of such pseudocertain, Dunning-Kruger effect gibberish about a year ago.

A relative of mine, eager to support and defend the implicit claims of her new Messiah, Donald Trump, sought to own me by citing an article on ozone therapy to prove that Trump was right.
Right about what? Surely you remember when he suggested that 'we' are or should be looking into "injecting" disinfectants into our lungs or otherwise into the body in the famous press conference in which one of his people had just finished talking about using bleach and isopropyl alcohol to disinfect surfaces?

Almost immediately after he made that stupid claim, his acolytes began searching for ways to justify his stupidity, and the Twitterverse and Q-related goobers conjured up 'light therapy' and 'ozone therapy' - neither of which the Orange Messiah had mentioned - to own the libs.

Why? Because 1. these are or can be used as 'disinfectants' and 2. alt-med loons try to use these as 'therapies.'

My relative focused on ozone therapy, and presented me with a copy-pasted, unsourced rant about how it has been used for decades in India and elsewhere, so Trump was totally right, and that I should "do my own research" instead of listening to the MSM.
That alone was odd - my relative has an educational pedigree akin to Lauren Boebert's (though she did later go to college for art), while I have an earned doctorate from an accredited institution and have been in academia for decades and some of my research papers have been cited in popular textbooks and such.. but, OK..

So... First, I tried to find her source. It was pretty hard - when I googled phrases from what she had posted, I got many hits - to social media posts/discussion forums in which loons were copy-pasting it without question. What made it harder is that so many of these "researchers" do not seem to understand how copy-pasting works, and so apparently re-typed the whole thing (about 4 paragraphs) and invariably made typing errors - but I eventually found the "original" source, as best I could tell. I think it was a Q-related website, but there were no author names, no date, etc (really odd) and, of course, no references. Odd for a 'researcher', right?

Long story short, I eventually found the primary sources - one was a review paper from an obscure alt-med journal from India, in which the amazing benefits of ozone therapy were merely presented as fact with no real support; the other was from an otherwise fairly reliable online medical source which I found sad.

The paper from India had many references, most of which were not possible for me to locate. Of those I was able to locate, none indicated or implied that ozone could be used as an injection or inhalant therapy (this becomes important in a second). Most of the sources referred to using ozone as a 'spray' (I don't know what the appropriate medical term is) on surface wounds or in dentistry, so even if those applications were valid, they did not support the overall implications of the review paper, and thus did not at all support Trump's statement.
The online medical site article (which I will not name, as they completely re-wrote the article and added a disclaimer after I had made them aware of the following), while not as glowing in its support for ozone therapy, nevertheless presented it as a potential alternative treatment (though not specifically for Covid). I was shocked to find the following things in the article, however - 1. its primary source was the same kooky alt-med paper from India that I had initially found, and 2, it listed 3 examples of ozone being used in clinical trials for the treatment of various ailments. It was bad enough that this article, which had been written by an RN, MPH and 'reviewed for medical accuracy' by an MD, was used as a primary source, but when I looked up the clinical trials... wow...

Ozone was used in them, alright - but NOT as a therapeutic agent, but rather to stimulate inflammation in order to test OTHER drugs! I was shocked at how this was missed (the updated online article no longer mentions clinical trials)!

So, I wrote up my findings for my relative and she apologized for her unwarranted condescension and retracted her claim of support for Trump's dopiness re: disinfectants.

Wait - no she didn't. She told me I was just an arrogant academic and that I should stop being a sheep and blocked me on social media.

So much for the "I did my research" crowd. I've yet to encounter ANY such person who actually knows how to support a claim or actually do any kind of research, which to them appears to mean 'read something on social media/website that props up your prejudices'.

Anyone ever found anything of value from such folks?




* or, just as likely, that you are a 'sheep' or is 'under the control of the gubmint/MSM/tyrants' or a 'paid shill' for daring to question their cult's disinformation
** this was actually posited on a conspiracy theory forum on another Christian site
***actual entry (sans exclamation point) on VAERS
A better way to understand how the world works, is summed up as simply.

The world is insane and we are in a giant mental health prison. The problem is that the people running this asylum we inhabit, have thrown away the keys. Now we cannot escape the asylum should we realize what is really happening. Our destiny is now certain and it's not pretty.
 
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Sorry, but stories from the Bible are just stories until you demonstrate otherwise. In other words, it is not evidence, it is the claim.
Science makes claims without hard evidence, what's the difference?
 
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The world is insane and we are in a giant mental health prison. The problem is that the people running this asylum we inhabit, have thrown away the keys. Now we cannot escape the asylum should we realize what is really happening. Our destiny is now certain and it's not pretty.
Have you just described hell?
 
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That has absolutely zero explanatory power.
Either that, or it does.
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And He managed to do this without anyone, anywhere in the entire world noticing.
How do you know they didn't notice? were you there?
 
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Have you just described hell?
Good question indeed.

I lack the evidence to make a direct correlation.

For many people around the world that could be true. Alcoholics, drug addicts, the very poor, those in prison. I have heard some of these folk even use that word, hell.
 
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Either that, or it does.
Sorry, magic isn't an explanation.
How do you know they didn't notice? were you there?
Somebody...somewhere...would've said something...the silence is deafening.

Your supposedly well supported explanation sure relies a lot on magic.
 
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An inscience asylum?
I believe it is all inclusive. Science is the, 'claim', factory. They have been making claims for centuries and revising their claims for centuries. It is a continual process in science.

Insanity is written on the faces of the leaders around the world. If you see the same face everyday, then you will know what I am talking about.

On the surface they seem coherent, in control. But underneath that exterior is mental chaos, unpredictable behavior, obsession.

MWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
 
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Somebody...somewhere...would've said something...the silence is deafening.
How do you know they didn't, and the information passed away by way of entropy?
 
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Claiming they know how the universe will end. There are currently six theories being proposed for the end of the universe. Which theory is correct or even close or are they all incorrect.

Cosmic uncertainty
As the nature of dark energy and dark matter remain enigmatic, even hypothetical, the possibilities surrounding their coming role in the universe are currently unknown. None of these theoretic endings for the universe are certain. (wiki)

So why does the scientific world make claims about topics, that are far beyond our primitive knowledge in science?
 
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Claiming they know how the universe will end. There are currently six theories being proposed for the end of the universe. Which theory is correct or even close or are they all incorrect.

Cosmic uncertainty
As the nature of dark energy and dark matter remain enigmatic, even hypothetical, the possibilities surrounding their coming role in the universe are currently unknown. None of these theoretic endings for the universe are certain. (wiki)

So why does the scientific world make claims about topics, that are far beyond our primitive knowledge in science?
But they do not do that. They interpret the data and tell us that is what it indicates. Do not make the mistake of conflating what popular science sources say with what scientists say.

Unfortunately creationists want it both ways. In scientific publications qualifiers are almost always used. When they do that creationists complain about that. When those papers are simplified so that they can understand them better they complain about that.


Right now the evidence indicates that the universe will end with a whimper and not a bang. What is wrong with that?
 
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But they do not do that. They interpret the data and tell us that is what it indicates. Do not make the mistake of conflating what popular science sources say with what scientists say.

Unfortunately creationists want it both ways. In scientific publications qualifiers are almost always used. When they do that creationists complain about that. When those papers are simplified so that they can understand them better they complain about that.


Right now the evidence indicates that the universe will end with a whimper and not a bang. What is wrong with that?
That is an extrapolation from a very limited data set.

A incredible extrapolation, probably the greatest scientific extrapolation ever seen.

All the movies and book, science fiction, is generated from scientific theories.

For example, people believe in aliens without a whisper of evidence.

People believe we can travel through the universe, to other planets and stars. Because they think science is saying that we can.

On and on it goes.
 
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That is an extrapolation from a very limited data set.
Well at least science has some evidence upon which to base those extrapolations. Theology uses the same methodology, only without the evidence.
 
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