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In my opinion a significant percentage of the scientific community are guilty of obscurantism when it comes to objectively
Where the original Hebrew disagrees with the KJB, the original Hebrew is wrong.Leviticus 16:10 to be exact.... in the original Hebrew.
Leviticus 16:10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.DennisTate said:"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10RSV)
Good for the Book of Enoch.DennisTate said:The Book of Enoch mentions his name many times.
Nice.DennisTate said:He was king of the 208 Watchers who fell because of the daughters of men.
If you haven't figured it out already, I'm a KJVO of the Peter S Ruckman & Gail A Riplinger persuasion.I highly recommend it.....
Where the original Hebrew disagrees with the KJB, the original Hebrew is wrong.
Leviticus 16:10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Who stuck "to Aza'zel" in there?
Good for the Book of Enoch.
I don't recognize the Book of Enoch as authoritative.
You can -- but I don't.
Nice.
Where the original Hebrew disagrees with the KJB, the original Hebrew is wrong.
I beg your pardon?Even you do not believe that.
Where the original Hebrew disagrees with the KJB, the original Hebrew is wrong.
Leviticus 16:10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Who stuck "to Aza'zel" in there?
Good for the Book of Enoch.
I don't recognize the Book of Enoch as authoritative.
You can -- but I don't.
Nice.
I beg your pardon?
But. Satan. Was. Lucifer. At. One. Time.
You could be right.... but Lucifer is A Satan, not necessarily The Satan.....
Azazel is another important fallen angel / Watcher that is mentioned in scripture.......
For all I know... Azazel could be more powerful than Lucifer but... according to the Book of Enoch it seems that Azazel and the Watchers / sons of G-d, did not fall until after the fall of Adam and Eve.
Why's Enoch not part of the Bible though? Since it's not should we not count it?
It was actually part of the Christian canon for roughly four centuries.
It is kind of big so it got pushed out of the Bible in favour of The Apocalypse / Revelations at the time that Pope Jerome canonized the Christian scriptures.
Lucifer. Is. Not. Satan. And. Never. Was.
I have lost count of how many times I've had to correct people on that who have clearly only read select verses of Isaiah 14 and hold onto preconceived notions.
I have lost count of how many times I've had to correct people
It is not a matter of people reading "select" verses and trusting what Scripture reveals.
There is ONLY ONE supreme Power who IS Himself POWER;
who is thee Lord God Almighty.
All other things are CREATED, and given POWER, by and from thee Lord God Almighty.
It is not a one liner in Scripture, but rather multiple Scriptures that REVEAL "ONE" created thing - that was given GREAT Power - used his RECEIVED POWER to "stand against God".
The ONE - in receipt of such Great Power (from God) has been identified -
called by a Name, descriptions, attributes.
And the most important revelation is He was CAST OUT and DOWN from Heaven.
And one who was called Lucifer WAS CAST OUT and DOWN from Heaven.
That ONLY applies to ONE given Great Power, by and from our Great Lord God Almighty.
Isa 14
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
It is clearly Lucifer WHO decided HE would have a throne ABOVE GOD.
And clearly Lucifer IS A LIAR and was CAST DOWN to the earth.
And clearly Lucifer DID NOT LOSE HIS POWER - But He DID LOSE his NAME.
Not news men lose their names and they become called by something else.
Abram lost his name - and became called Abraham.
Jacob lost his name - and became called Israel.
Lucifer lost his name - and became called Satan, the Devil, a Serpent, Evil, god of this world, among other things - but yet we know;
Christ Jesus ie the POWER of God - superseded Satan's great Power - and that Satan NO LONGER has the POWER OVER DEATH.
And we know- ALL of Satan's Power shall be overcome and He shall be brought DOWN further from the earth's surface TO the pits of Hell, totaling removing his power FROM affecting the earth and the people thereof.
So, what is YOUR Scriptural basis in fact that reveals Lucifer did not become identified as Satan?
God Bless,
SBC
Matthew 16:23a But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:If you actually read the verses and not just regurgitate the oft-quoted ones, it's clear that it was all a proverb taken up against a Babylonian king ("Morning Star" was used by the way for anyone who had a high position, including Pharaoh and Jesus himself).
It was actually part of the Christian canon for roughly four centuries.
It is kind of big so it got pushed out of the Bible in favour of The Apocalypse / Revelations at the time that Pope Jerome canonized the Christian scriptures.
Do you want to see Intelligent Design taught in universities and schools?<----OP
It already IS "sadly" being taught in Universities and Schools.
I have NO Issue with University students, (who pay their OWN tuition) or Private Schools (who pay their OWN tuition) to learn about Intelligent Design as an OPTION in conflict with Gods Creation.
I have NO Issue with EXTRA Curricular programs - within the Public School System - for groups of students who want to form and participate in CLUBS - for theater ACTING - for sports SUPPORTERS - for Photography - etc. and Including;
for Creationism - for Intelligent Design -
And absolutely ANY parent who sends their child off to a Public schools SHOULD have a reasonable expectation their child will be TAUGHT a MAINSTREAM education in:
the Basics of Reading, Writing, Math, English, History, and Proven Science.
The EXTRAS - should be by CHOICE, "WITH" the parents Knowledge and Permission for their child to participate.
AFTER a child has been INTRODUCED to a TOPIC, "THEY" and "THEIR PARENTS" can decide to further the "INTRODUCTION" to become a Focused and Specific topic to be discussed and taught and believed.
People WHO DECIDE Creationism IS a topic "THEY" wish to focus on and believe -
Attend Seminaries - Churches - and receive TEACHING specific to THAT belief.
People WHO DECIDE Intelligent Design IS a topic "THEY" wish to focus on and believe -
Can ATTEND __________ Whoops - What is their Specific facilities called?
Why are they INVADING public schools and universities ?
Where are "their" specific facilities?
God Bless,
SBC
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Enoch was never part of the Hebrew scriptures and never part of the Septuagint. The test of canonicity for the New Testament was whether a book was believed to have been written by an apostle or a close associate of an apostle.
Enoch was never part of the Christian scriptures.
Why can't we teach people about ID?
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