Spiritual issues are not cultural issues. Perverted sex is sin. God has condoned sex between man and woman.
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Sex is a behavior, being gay is an orientation. One can repent of their behaviors, but not their orientation. And nothing in the Bible afaik forbids any specific sexual practices with women. Nor are lesbians condemned/mentioned in any biblical verse, except the questionable Romans reference. Women were viewed as property in those days. Their sexual proclivities outside of pagan worship were pretty much irrelevant, which is why there is no emphasis on women laying with women. It's a cultural issue, not a moral one.
It's not an opinion, it's a scientific fact. Even the most devout of Christians who have tried to turn straight, have failed after years and years of prayer and methods to do it. Jesus says gays are born that way.
We have to come in agreement with God on what sin is and confess and try to repent...
If I said my smoking cigarettes is not a sin, and I refused to confess and try my best to repent of it, then I would be in danger of going to hell...
Same goes for homosexuals, if they refuse to admit it's a sin and don't see any need to confess and try to repent of it, then their in danger of going to hell.
But, a homosexual who does feel sorry for and admits that his/her homosexuality is a sin, and confesses and does their best to repent of it, but just cant seem to (like my smoking cigarettes) but/and believes in Jesus Christ, we could see them in heaven...
God Bless!
Matthew 19:12Would you please provide a scripture showing that Jesus said gays are born that way?
What makes you think the bible says sex is a sin?What has always amazed me about the bible's teaching on sex. Is that we were created to be sinful. Was god being cruel, playing a huge trick on us.
Or were old men trying to control us in the privacy of our bedroom?
The evidence of our sexual drives, needs, fulfillment, and pleasures is proven. So why make the actual moment of conception, essential for life, a sin?
Was it Paul who wrote a lot of this, a man who prefered a single life?
Any religion that castrates young men so the sing in a higher tone, then makes those men lovers for the male clergy, Has no place in my life.
TheBarrd, the problem is what version is right, which version can be verified in the original script and which version was the musing of the men writing them? The verse applies to Eunuchs, is there a version that says homosexuals? If not, we have to stick with the words written.
What makes you think the bible says sex is a sin?
I don't remember saying otherwise. If you read the post that I replied to the author said that God "created us to be sinful" and that the "moment of conception is a sin." So you didn't answer my question. Where does the bible say sex is sinful?Sex between married couple (male and female) is only condoned. Apart from this, it is sinful.
NASB or NIVwhat version are you reading, Marius, if I may ask?
In the Roman Empire, there were several categories of Eunuchs, Spadones, Thladiae, Thlibiae, Castrati, etc. In Matthew, Jesus describes 3 types. Those who made themselves Eunuchs refers to people like priests/nuns who followed a calling and were blessed with the gift of celibacy to better serve the Kingdom. Those who were made Eunuchs were castrated males or those whose genitals were bruised/crushed (Thladiae, Thlibiae). Eunuchs who were born that way are males who are unwilling or have no desire to pursue women. A look through ancient writings referring to Eunuchs shows a lot of references to males who are capable of having children, but have no desire to be with women. Many times they were even described using stereotypes used against gays today.So, I'm wondering...what has this to do with homosexuals?
I've never heard of a version that puts homosexuals in that verse, but then there are probably versions I have not read...I can't keep up with all of them, nor do I intend to try.What has always amazed me about the bible's teaching on sex. Is that we were created to be sinful. Was god being cruel, playing a huge trick on us.
Or were old men trying to control us in the privacy of our bedroom?
The evidence of our sexual drives, needs, fulfillment, and pleasures is proven. So why make the actual moment of conception, essential for life, a sin?
Was it Paul who wrote a lot of this, a man who prefered a single life?
Any religion that castrates young men so the sing in a higher tone, then makes those men lovers for the male clergy, Has no place in my life.
TheBarrd, the problem is what version is right, which version can be verified in the original script and which version was the musing of the men writing them? The verse applies to Eunuchs, is there a version that says homosexuals? If not, we have to stick with the words written.
I very much doubt that Jesus had read Clement of Alexandria's comments. I'm pretty sure that when He said what He said, that He was referring to eunuchs, not gay men.In the Roman Empire, there were several categories of Eunuchs, Spadones, Thladiae, Thlibiae, Castrati, etc. In Matthew, Jesus describes 3 types. Those who made themselves Eunuchs refers to people like priests/nuns who followed a calling and were blessed with the gift of celibacy to better serve the Kingdom. Those who were made Eunuchs were castrated males or those whose genitals were bruised/crushed (Thladiae, Thlibiae). Eunuchs who were born that way are males who are unwilling or have no desire to pursue women. A look through ancient writings referring to Eunuchs shows a lot of references to males who are capable of having children, but have no desire to be with women. Many times they were even described using stereotypes used against gays today.
Clement of Alexandria stated: "Some men, from their birth, have a nature to turn away from women; and those who are naturally constituted in this way do well not to marry. These, they say, are the eunuchs from birth."
What makes you think the bible says sex is a sin?
The sentence "conceived in sin" is a clue. The bible has way too many laws regarding sex.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_actions_prohibited_by_the_Bible#Sexual_acts
They had a lot of strange laws. http://biblebabble.curbjaw.com/laws.htm
I don't remember saying otherwise. If you read the post that I replied to the author said that God "created us to be sinful" and that the "moment of conception is a sin." So you didn't answer my question. Where does the bible say sex is sinful?
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