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Do you think that homosexuals go to hell 2

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by Neogaia777, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    We have to come in agreement with God on what sin is and confess and try to repent...

    If I said my smoking cigarettes is not a sin, and I refused to confess and try my best to repent of it, then I would be in danger of going to hell...

    Same goes for homosexuals, if they refuse to admit it's a sin and don't see any need to confess and try to repent of it, then their in danger of going to hell.

    But, a homosexual who does feel sorry for and admits that his/her homosexuality is a sin, and confesses and does their best to repent of it, but just cant seem to (like my smoking cigarettes) but/and believes in Jesus Christ, we could see them in heaven...

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  2. Marius27

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    Sorry, a careful reading of the original scripture does not support your views. And one can't repent of being a homosexual, anymore than one can repent of being black or Jewish. There are many gays that are good Christians and try to live a righteous life. But that isn't going to turn them straight.
     
  3. Neogaia777

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    That may be your "opinion", opinion, not fact, mine differs, so I guess were going agree to disagree...

    God Bless!
     
  4. Neogaia777

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    Can a man repent (change) of having anal sex with a woman, or women? Then why not being gay then?
     
  5. Marius27

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    It's not an opinion, it's a scientific fact. Even the most devout of Christians who have tried to turn straight, have failed after years and years of prayer and methods to do it. Jesus says gays are born that way.
     
  6. Marius27

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    Sex is a behavior, being gay is an orientation. One can repent of their behaviors, but not their orientation. And nothing in the Bible afaik forbids any specific sexual practices with women. Nor are lesbians condemned/mentioned in any biblical verse, except the questionable Romans reference. Women were viewed as property in those days. Their sexual proclivities outside of pagan worship were pretty much irrelevant, which is why there is no emphasis on women laying with women. It's a cultural issue, not a moral one.
     
  7. fizzygiraffe

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    Then by that false pronouncement, it would mean Yahweh created those he calls an abomination in the Pentateuch to go straight to Hell. Because being born that way they can't repent of the way God made them and can only choose to act that way , and be damned. Or turn celibate after they turn to Christ.

    Though in fairness I don't think any homosexual who happens to be Jewish or Christian for that matter is going to agree they're damned in their sin.

    Further, I think these type threads are anti-scriptural actually.
    God sets forth the terms and conditions for salvation. Unrepentant sin damns.
    When God says,per the scriptures old and new testaments, that unrepentant homosexuals go to Hell, that's it.

    Homosexuals arguing to the contrary are deluding themselves when they're engaged in their sinful lifestyle thinking they're redeemed, repentant, when they're not if they keep committing the sin, and saved and assured Heaven.
    That is the scripture as pertains to all of it. Not a flame in case the report button is itching under someone's finger. That's scripture.

    SO what is the point of a thread like this but to ask Christians to not only risk rule violation, but to denounce God's word for what it says.
    Do not add too or take away from the scriptures.

    So what are we doing here?
    The world, secular society that actually has laws on the books approving beastiality in some states in America, is what we're hoping to save ourselves from!
    Do we comport God's word to that? It's not PC to hold to scripture that condemns sexual sodomy of Homosexuals or any sexual immorality?
    Wrong answer! If someone is going to say, YES!
    That's not God's word! That's the world that's fallen and that we're to save ourselves from.

    As a side note, I didn't think this type thread was allowed save in certain restricted forums.
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2015
  8. Marius27

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    The Torah never uses the word abomination, that's a false translation. And he's not talking about gays in Leviticus. Learn the meaning of the Torah before making such claims please.

    Thus the flaw of the anti-gay belief. Which is why I consider that belief hogwash.

    Actually, no. God never mentions homosexuals in scripture. Translators inaccurately translated Corinthians with the word "homosexuals", but that is not what the original scriptures refer to.

    People are deluding themselves into thinking their beliefs and interpretations of the Bible on this issue are in line with God. Those interpretations cause nothing but suffering and destruction. Just as evil as those who mistranslated the verses about "witches" which lead to Christians setting innocent women on fire or drowning them for centuries.


    You do realize the scriptures were not written in English right? So by that logic, you're adding to scripture by using language, words, and phrases that never existed in scripture.
     
  9. fizzygiraffe

    fizzygiraffe There's No Present Like The TIme

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    Repent! That's all I can say for anyone that hopes to interpolate scripture so as to have it support any sin they approve of.
     
  10. fizzygiraffe

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    Make any excuse you want Marius27. God finds sexually active homosexuals an abomination.
    You are homosexual so you won't agree with that. Too bad. God said it and that's it. Repent! God didn't make you that way. Satan can create too.
    Promoting homosexuality is against the rules here. That makes two places where it isn't tolerated. Rewrite scripture to support your fallen state all you want. This life is short. Finding you were wrong lasts forever.

    Bye.
     
  11. High Fidelity

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    What about Leviticus 18:22?

    My translation uses abomination and the NASB is considered by many, myself included, to be the most accurate, literal translation in English.

    As for the second part, it seems He is, to me.
     
  12. Marius27

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    Once again, no such thing as abomination in the original scriptures. That's a mistranslation of the KJV, so I'm not really sure why you think I should accept your statement.

    Jesus disagrees with you. I'll listen to him, thanks.

    I'm not promoting homosexuality, I'm correcting you on your mistaken Biblical understanding.
     
  13. Marius27

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    What about it? The Hebrew word that was translated as abomination means ritually impure/taboo in Hebrew. Burning incense and sacrificing a blemished animal use the same word. Yet none of us would consider those moral evils. If you look at verse 18:21, it's discussing the pagan practice of giving over people to the pagan god Molech and engaging in ritual prostitution. That's further clarified in Deuteronomy 23:17, where it says no Israelite is to become a shrine prostitute (translated as "Sodomite" in the KJV), and Jeremiah 32:35 where it reiterates the meaning behind Leviticus 18:21 and sacrificing children to Molech for pagan rituals:

    They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded--nor did it enter my mind--that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.

    I also challenge you to find a single condemnation of lesbians in the Old Testament. It doesn't exist, because the scripture in question is not focused on gays, it's focused on idolatry and pagan rituals.

    The fact that you're claiming some translations are more accurate than others proves that there are questionable translation choices. Otherwise, no translation would differ. Lots of things are called abomination in the English Bible that would never be called that in modern day English culture. There are multiple Hebrew words translated that way, and they don't mean the same thing. Leviticus 18:22 is itself a questionable translation in English, because "As with woman" is not a literal translation of the Hebrew. The Hebrew would literally translate as "Lie lyings woman", and even the original Hebrew was ambiguous. I'm also not sure why that clause would be necessary in the first place. Doesn't a man shall not have sex with another man cover the subject accurately had that been the intention? So what's the purpose of "Lie lyings woman"? And why does that verse directly follow a discussion of pagan sacrifice to a Canaanite god? Seems awfully out of place to me in the English. But in Hebrew, verse 21 is the start of a new subject matter, and unrelated to the previous verses.

    The questions that verse brings up and the vagueness of the original Hebrew gives me enough reasonable doubt to question the superficial interpretation most Christians use, and to assume it's merely interpreted that way as a weapon to use against an outcasted group society doesn't like.

    I see no evidence, logic, or divine inspiration in that verse's use against modern day gays.
     
  14. nomadictheist

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    You're wasting your time with this thread. There have been people who wrote entire books explaining away every reference to homosexuality in the Bible, and you're not going to get a resolution here.

    I personally take the argument that Jesus did - the intended order of Creation... "Do you not know that He who created them from the beginning created them male and female, and therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and cleave to his wife? Therefore what God has joined together, let no man separate"

    Of course, I also know that the pro homo sex crowd says that verse is meaningless and only covers marriage between a man and a woman. But I also note that Jesus took care to say why marriage occurs (because God created people male and female) as well as who it's between (a man and his wife).

    That said I don't think that anybody will fail to attain salvation based on being attracted to men any more than I believe someone will fail to attain salvation for being attracted to women other than his spouse. The key issues are self-control and repentance. We're all sinners, but if we fail to acknowledge our sin we "make Him (God) a liar" and "the Truth is not in us."
     
  15. Poor Beggar

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    Exactly. At the end of the day we are merely Watchmen. At some point you have to note the willful rebellion, shake off the dust, and move on.
     
  16. paulm50

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    I don't think anyone goes to Heaven or Hell. It's lights out. This isn't a casting call for a part in the big movie. This is the big movie.
     
  17. Gunny

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    Amen and AMEN.
     
  18. Gunny

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    If one states I don't believe this or that regardless of the matter at hand : if God's truth states the matter according to Him (Doctrines of God) then what the individual believes (doctrines of men) doesn't change the truth of the God according to His Holy Word.
     
  19. D. A. Taylor

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  20. Righttruth

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    Jesus never said that!
     
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