Do you think homosexuals go to Hell??

[Xalith]

It's hate to lie to people that it's okay. I'm glad Rock Hudson repented and got saved on his death bed.

I'm glad as well, but let's not all use the "deathbed procrastination" thing.

I'm glad anytime someone gets Saved, though we must teach people that they need to repent and accept Christ ASAP. Nobody knows when their last day on Earth will be; everybody will either die or go in the rapture someday, and not one man or woman on this earth will know exactly when (unless they commit suicide) ahead of time.

Rock Hudson was lucky and I'm glad for him, but yet, again, he was very lucky, he was able to repent and get saved before it was too late.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Let me hear your opinion...please...

I think it is a sin like many other sins. Only God knows a person heart.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

I'll try to avoid judging anyone concerning heaven or hell. Only Christ is in a position to do so, for it's by him we enter the kingdom of heaven.

That should answer the question - only the saints inherit the kingdom.

I'm not gonna condemn any sinner, homosexuals included. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

I am the same way. I am often reminded of the song by Casting crowns anybody see her

 

[Xalith]

Don't get me wrong by anything I've posted, please.

I am not judging and saying that "homosexuals will go to hell"; I am merely saying that homosexuality IS a sin like all other sins, and those who have not truly accepted Christ and repented of their sin and at least attempt to turn away from them, according to Scripture, will not enter Heaven.

That's what Scripture says; that's not my judgment whatsoever.

 

[Marius27]

Don't get me wrong by anything I've posted, please.

I am not judging and saying that "homosexuals will go to hell"; I am merely saying that homosexuality IS a sin like all other sins, and those who have not truly accepted Christ and repented of their sin and at least attempt to turn away from them, according to Scripture, will not enter Heaven.

That's what Scripture says; that's not my judgment whatsoever.

Once again, that's not what scripture says. If homosexuality is a sin, what are homosexuals to do? Turn straight? Be celibate? Changing one's orientation is impossible and both Jesus and Paul say celibacy is a gift most people don't have. You can't force it on people.

 

[Xalith]

Once again, that's not what scripture says. If homosexuality is a sin, what are homosexuals to do? Turn straight? Be celibate? Changing one's orientation is impossible and both Jesus and Paul say celibacy is a gift most people don't have. You can't force it on people.

It is "impossible"?

Tell that to the people who were Healed from their unnatural lust towards other men. I've seen their testimonies and read about their stories.

And on that matter...

Nothing is "impossible" for God. Nothing.

Try that sermon. Very wonderful sermon about how nothing is impossible for God to fix (might want to fast-forward a bit past the intro though).

The problem is, when people pray and it doesn't happen... the people who were praying lacked faith. Didn't Jesus tell His disciples that with enough faith, they could move mountains and drop them in the sea by praying?

That's basically what the late Rev. Wilkerson is saying in this video -- a lot of people will pray once or twice and it doesn't happen so they give up on it and say "it's impossible" or "it's hopeless" even though Scripture says that there is NOTHING God can't do.

 

[StephanieSomer]

The Bible is clear though:

Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality

Then, by what you've stated, there's a huge portion of confessing Christians who will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Your list includes adultery, which is probably one of the most common circumstances in the Church. According to what Scripture actually says, anyone who remarries after a divorce is committing adultery, unless either the former spouse has died, or the former spouse was an unbeliever and divorced the believer. Any other circumstance, and the person is an adulterer, by Scripture. And, I can guarantee you that there are hundreds of such people in these forums, with Christian in their profile. I've had several people attempt to dodge this and insist that this or that exempts them, or that the Scripture doesn't mean that. It can't get any clearer.

And, if you had bothered to quote the entire verse, you would have said, "or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God."

Thieves. Those who take what isn't theirs to possess. Like taking things home from work without permission, or not declaring ALL your income on your taxes, or neglecting to give back the extra change that the clerk at the store mistakenly gave you. How many here have done those things? According to Svt4Him, you're going to hell.

Greedy people. Those who desire what belongs to another. Like hating those who have more money than you and fabricating all kinds of schemes to take it from them. Or telling your co-worker that the boss doesn't deserve what he has and it should be yours. That's greedy. How many here are guilty? I guess you'll burn too, huh?

Drunkards. Those who over-imbibe on intoxicants. Any intoxicant. Is drinking a sin? No, it isn't. Drunkenness is. That's over-indulgence. Get your asbestos suit ready!

Abusive. Those who take advantage of those weaker than themselves, or abuse their authority over another. Speaking harshly to your child after coming home from a hard day and finding some minor breaking of some rule of the house. Snapping at your spouse when you are bothered by what they say. Guilty? Go directly to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Cheat. To take from another via subtlety, or to deny what another deserves by subtlety. I bet I could count on one hand all those I've known over the 59 years of my life that haven't cheated somebody, and STILL be able to hold a coffee cup.

"... NONE OF THESE WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD."

What most of you aren't getting is that ALL of us are EQUALLY as guilty as anyone in any particular sin. You wanna explain to God why the pen you took from work wasn't nearly as evil as the practicing homosexual? Or why snapping at your wife yesterday really wasn't that big a deal? Really? Are you THAT stupid? Can't you read? So, who the HECK are you to be pointing a finger at anyone?

 

[StephanieSomer]

What is your exegesis of Romans 1:26-27?

The entire first chapter of Romans is the antecedent for what Paul begins to say in chapter two. "You therefore, have no excuse, you who judge another." You wanna take the Scripture apart into little pieces to create doctrine? Ok. Try this one on for size. "And Judas went out and hung himself." Christ said, "Go thou, and do likewise." Later, He also added, "And what you do, do quickly!"

 

[StephanieSomer]

When God calls something an "Abomination", that means it is something that He feels very strongly about, something that offends Him.

Do you think He'd use such harsh words for something He doesn't really care about, other than for His chosen people to set themselves aside from everybody else?

Please note, he called it an ABOMINATION. That's a pretty strong word. That, to me, says "I hate this thing, and I don't want anybody doing it, Jewish or Gentile".

Now, we have to ask ourselves as Christians... "Should we be doing anything that God labelled as an 'abomination'?"

God never called Stealing, or even Murder an "Abomination". He said "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not steal." but yet He never called murder and stealing "Abomination".

Something tells me that He finds homosexual sex especially sickening and perverse, profane...

I don't know about you, friend, but I don't want God to feel sickened by my actions. I'm not going to sit here and go "oh, that's just Leviticus, that doesn't apply to us".

Yes, maybe Leviticus was Mosaic Law meant for the Jews... but when God says it is an "abomination", I ask myself, "do I really want to commit an 'abomination'?"

The answer is a resounding, "NO".

You REALLY ought to do a REAL study on the specific words used which you are speaking on. Abomination doesn't mean quite what you are saying. If you compare how the word translated abomination is used in every instance, it becomes clear that it wasn't at all what you are saying. The best modern equivalent would be "taboo". That's a word which refers to ceremonial cleanness, not poor character; essentially the equivalent to the ceremonial washings which Christ condemned as self-righteous hypocrisy. "They honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me."

 

[StephanieSomer]

This is where we disagree. There are many sins listed there that God turned them over to besides verses 26-27. Unless one can say they have never done any of these as well.....then they can't judge themselves to be more righteous than someone else.

Rom 1:29 having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoredom, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil dispositions; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 evil-speakers, God-haters, insulting, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 unintelligent, faithless, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful;

Thanks for your explanation. We will just have to agree to disagree.

I especially noticed the very last word which was in the verse you quoted. Unmerciful. Christ Himself even said that those who have showed no mercy will get no mercy. I DO understand WHAT the Scripture says concerning homosexuality. But, many of the posts I read here in CF aren't showing any mercy whatsoever. They are almost happily denouncing what they despise, and using the Scripture to defend themselves. THAT is unmerciful. That's EXACTLY what the Pharisees were doing that gained them Christ's ire against them. Chapter 1 of Romans casts BOTH into the same boat. The irony is that those who thrust such disgust on gays are dangerously close to spending an eternity with those they despise. And, they are willfully ignorant of what the Scripture really says about that. If you don't believe that, go read Christ's exposition given AFTER He taught the disciples how to pray.

 

[Xalith]

@StephanieSomer :

I said earlier in the thread that homosexuals can go to Heaven if they repent and turn away from it and accept Christ.

However, part of the process of being Saved includes repenting and turning away from it, or making some kind of effort to do so.

Yes, every Christian will sin in his or her life. Everybody has stolen something just about, even if accidental. However, Professing Christians are not supposed to be habitually, willfully sinning and even sometimes flaunting their life of sin (or at the very least, openly displaying it).

A lot of people have stolen something or two in their lives. How many professing Christians are active bank robbers? How many professing Christians are serial killers?

Do you believe that someone can claim to know Christ, be saved, but yet are still killing people? (I'm not talking about soldiers fighting wars -- that's a different subject)

There are some Christians who have committed adultery after becoming saved... but how many of them are openly displaying their adulterous lifestyle and continuing on it without remorse?

How many saved Christians who were alcoholics are running around getting wasted every other night and they don't think much of it, after being saved?

That's the point we're trying to make here. He will forgive sin, sure. The Bible is all about that. But yet, the person doing the sinning needs to be repentant about it. Is the homosexual in question repentant and wants to be freed of his sin? Has he accepted Christ? Has he been Born Again?

If so, then he can enter Heaven, according to Scripture.

The question is... is he truly Born Again... or is he one of those people who will go "Lord, Lord" on the last day and be told to depart from Him?

Depends on whether or not he's truly saved, which is not our position to judge.

 

[StephanieSomer]

So if I'm attracted to women, I'm an adulterer even if I don't engage in a relationship. Weird.

If that attraction induces any lust whatsoever, yes, you are.

 

[Xalith]

@StephanieSomer :

It has nothing to do with being unmerciful. I've been saying over and over again in this whole thread... "they can get saved! Sure! they just have to repent first"

That's not being unmerciful, that's being truthful.

Being merciful does not mean sugar-coating the truth to make it taste better. If something is a sin, it is a sin. We can't go "oh, it's ok, everybody sins, so don't even feel sorry about your sin" ..... we can't do that.

We can't do that about murder, we can't do that about lying, we can't do that about stealing, and we can't do it about homosexuality.

 

[StephanieSomer]

It is "impossible"?

Tell that to the people who were Healed from their unnatural lust towards other men. I've seen their testimonies and read about their stories.

And on that matter...

Nothing is "impossible" for God. Nothing.

Try that sermon. Very wonderful sermon about how nothing is impossible for God to fix (might want to fast-forward a bit past the intro though).

The problem is, when people pray and it doesn't happen... the people who were praying lacked faith. Didn't Jesus tell His disciples that with enough faith, they could move mountains and drop them in the sea by praying?

That's basically what the late Rev. Wilkerson is saying in this video -- a lot of people will pray once or twice and it doesn't happen so they give up on it and say "it's impossible" or "it's hopeless" even though Scripture says that there is NOTHING God can't do.

Yes, some have testified to their full release from it. And, many who so testified have later returned to it. I have also read several testimonies where the person said they were fully delivered and were so happy that they had such a support group behind them to assist them when they were tempted. If they needed support in their temptation, doesn't that kinda deflate the testimony of full deliverance? If they are fully delivered, they're straight, right? Just HOW is a straight person tempted into homosexual sex? I do NOT discount that some HAVE been fully delivered. But, I'm not so stupid as to believe that all the testimonies which are so heralded about in Christian circles are legitimate either. Experience seems to demonstrate that MOST of the testimonies are false.

So, what have you ever prayed for that you didn't receive? Lacking in faith, eh? I guess it never occurred to you that sometimes the answer is "No."? If that is so, WHY would God refuse such a request? Kinda makes you go, "hmmmm".

 

[StephanieSomer]

@StephanieSomer :

It has nothing to do with being unmerciful. I've been saying over and over again in this whole thread... "they can get saved! Sure! they just have to repent first"

That's not being unmerciful, that's being truthful.

Being merciful does not mean sugar-coating the truth to make it taste better. If something is a sin, it is a sin. We can't go "oh, it's ok, everybody sins, so don't even feel sorry about your sin" ..... we can't do that.

We can't do that about murder, we can't do that about lying, we can't do that about stealing, and we can't do it about homosexuality.

So, can you explain WHY there are so many posts in CF condemning gays, and so few condemning Christians who steal, or lie, or speak harshly to their child or spouse ? The statistical inequality screams hypocrisy.

 

[StephanieSomer]

So, can you explain WHY there are so many posts in CF condemning gays, and so few condemning Christians who steal, or lie, or speak harshly to their child or spouse ? The statistical inequality screams hypocrisy.

I'm NOT disagreeing with your position on whether homosexuality is sin or not. I'm simply repeating over and over again what Paul was getting at with the first chapter of Romans, which was finished with chapter 2. WE HAVE NO EXCUSE! We do NOT have any authority to condemn ANY sin, outside the bounds of the Church. None. Our only authority is to preach the Gospel.

 

[Xalith]

I'm NOT disagreeing with your position on whether homosexuality is sin or not. I'm simply repeating over and over again what Paul was getting at with the first chapter of Romans, which was finished with chapter 2. WE HAVE NO EXCUSE! We do NOT have any authority to condemn ANY sin, outside the bounds of the Church. None. Our only authority is to preach the Gospel.

Who, here, is condemning?

A question was asked... "do Homosexuals go to Hell?" and I answered thusly:

"If they are not saved, everybody goes to Hell, including homosexuals" and then you had people going "oh, no, homosexuality isn't a sin! It's okay!"

etc.

But yeah, I think it is time we ended the argument... having people getting angry over something is really not healthy. I never meant to incite anger, nor condemn anyone. I just want people who are living that kind of life to realize that they Aren't supposed to be doing it, that they should try to turn away from it and repent if they have not already.

We all do things that are sinful... we are all guilty. I was merely concerned about a group of people (in this case, homosexuals) who thought they were somehow not guilty who seem to think their sins are ok.

You know what? I'll confess two of my worst sins: gluttony (5'8'' and 235 lbs...) and sexual lust (I still find myself having a difficulty staying away from pornographic artwork and occasional masturbation).

I'm guilty of sin, like everybody else is. I repent of it, and I wish, and pray, and yearn that He would help me overcome this sin, and I yearn for the day that I might one day be free of this sin for once and for all.

But I don't, for one second, sit here and go "it's ok if I eat like a pig..." or "It's ok if I look at porn, it ain't sin!"

 

[StephanieSomer]

Who, here, is condemning?

A question was asked... "do Homosexuals go to Hell?" and I answered thusly:

"If they are not saved, everybody goes to Hell, including homosexuals" and then you had people going "oh, no, homosexuality isn't a sin! It's okay!"

etc.

But yeah, I think it is time we ended the argument... having people getting angry over something is really not healthy. I never meant to incite anger, nor condemn anyone. I just want people who are living that kind of life to realize that they Aren't supposed to be doing it, that they should try to turn away from it and repent if they have not already.

We all do things that are sinful... we are all guilty. I was merely concerned about a group of people (in this case, homosexuals) who thought they were somehow not guilty who seem to think their sins are ok.

You know what? I'll confess two of my worst sins: gluttony (5'8'' and 235 lbs...) and sexual lust (I still find myself having a difficulty staying away from pornographic artwork and occasional masturbation).

I'm guilty of sin, like everybody else is. I repent of it, and I wish, and pray, and yearn that He would help me overcome this sin, and I yearn for the day that I might one day be free of this sin for once and for all.

But I don't, for one second, sit here and go "it's ok if I eat like a pig..." or "It's ok if I look at porn, it ain't sin!"

"Whenever two or more of you agree as touching anything, it will be done for them by My Father." I will join with you in your request.

 

[Hank77]

The entire first chapter of Romans is the antecedent for what Paul begins to say in chapter two. "You therefore, have no excuse, you who judge another." You wanna take the Scripture apart into little pieces to create doctrine? Ok. Try this one on for size. "And Judas went out and hung himself." Christ said, "Go thou, and do likewise." Later, He also added, "And what you do, do quickly!"

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[Neogaia777]

Let me hear your opinion...please...

People who go to hell are getting what they desire and worship most, so...

God Bless!