Do you think homosexuals go to Hell??

[Alithis]

Uh yes, there is. Someone who is predominately or exclusively emotionally/romantically attracted to members of the same-sex is by definition gay.

This makes absolutely no sense. You can't just argue away groups of people we have defined based on your own personal beliefs. It's as absurd as me saying there are no Jews.

I speak from the basis of the bible.please provide verse displaying where god created man woman and 3rd species caled gay. ... of course you cannot.there is mankind. And there is sin.. sin perverts and then destroys.

 

[Alithis]

A predispisotion to a behaviour that is unrightous is rooted in sin.this is the same for attraction to any form of sexual immorality.none are excluded. Except s person place thier faith in the lord Jesus to do what we cannot do... they will perish in thier sin.

 

[Marius27]

I speak from the basis of the bible.please provide verse displaying where god created man woman and 3rd species caled gay. ... of course you cannot.there is mankind. And there is sin.. sin perverts and then destroys.

I think you're confused about what words mean here. There is only one species of human. We call it homo sapien. Gay is a sexual orientation found among all species on Earth, including homo sapiens. There are 3 primary sexual orientations. Homosexual, Bisexual, and Heterosexual. Those are not species, they are orientations. Are you confusing orientation with gender? They're not the same thing.

 

[Marius27]

A predispisotion to a behaviour that is unrightous is rooted in sin.this is the same for attraction to any form of sexual immorality.none are excluded. Except s person place thier faith in the lord Jesus to do what we cannot do... they will perish in thier sin.

Being gay isn't unrighteous. Jesus blesses gays in the Bible and says some people are like that. Gays can certainly sin, just like heterosexuals. But it has nothing to do with their natural disposition of being gay.

 

[Xalith]

Being gay isn't unrighteous. Jesus blesses gays in the Bible and says some people are like that. Gays can certainly sin, just like heterosexuals. But it has nothing to do with their natural disposition of being gay.

Verse, please?

I don't remember "gays" being mentioned anywhere in the Bible, only the act of homosexual sex itself. Nowhere does the Bible say "Oh, some people are just like that".

As to the subject of so-called "homosexual people", I can't help but to think of that as a placebo effect. There are a lot of people out there who will think themselves to have a disease, and sometimes they will even exhibit signs of having this so-called disease, but yet in the end... they are tricking themselves into thinking they have it.

I'm sorry, I don't buy this "I was born with it" thing. I just... don't. Some do it to justify themselves, others do it because they were tricked into thinking that's what was wrong with them because of society, etc.

That's almost like transgender people who claim they were "born in the wrong body". The Bible says that God Himself planted our soul in the womb and knew us before conception. Do you really think He'd give the wrong body to the wrong soul? Do we have such little trust in God these days?

No, it is more a societal thing; some people are tricked into thinking they have a disease they don't actually have or doesn't even exist.

 

[Marius27]

Verse, please?

Read Jesus' discussion of Eunuchs.

I'm sorry, I don't buy this "I was born with it" thing. I just... don't. Some do it to justify themselves, others do it because they were tricked into thinking that's what was wrong with them because of society, etc.

Doesn't matter whether you do. We have scientific evidence supporting it, the vast majority of gays never chose their orientation. It's biological. There is absolutely zero evidence of what you're suggesting, and there never has been. I seriously doubt you chose to be attracted to women (assuming you're straight and male).

That's almost like transgender people who claim they were "born in the wrong body". The Bible says that God Himself planted our soul in the womb and knew us before conception. Do you really think He'd give the wrong body to the wrong soul? Do we have such little trust in God these days?

Would God give someone a cleft chin in the womb? How about a missing limb? What about intersex? You do know people are born with both sets of sex chromosomes right? Some of which have both sets of genitals. God does things for his reasons.

No, it is more a societal thing; some people are tricked into thinking they have a disease they don't actually have or doesn't even exist.

Sorry, this is completely baseless and nothing more than speculation and personal conjecture. It's not backed by any evidence or logic.

 

[Xalith]

Read Jesus' discussion of Eunuchs.

You do realize what a Eunuch IS, right? Hint: A Eunuch is not a gay person.

Doesn't matter whether you do. We have scientific evidence supporting it, the vast majority of gays never chose their orientation. It's biological. There is absolutely zero evidence of what you're suggesting, and there never has been. I seriously doubt you chose to be attracted to women (assuming you're straight and male).

Being attracted to women is part of God's design. Men being attracted to men isn't. And again with the "scientific evidence", there is also scientific evidence of people who do not have diseases, but yet have the symptoms and ave thoroughly convinced they have the disease. You can trick your body and even brain into a lot of things. How's that Placebo effect going these days? We have scientific evidence of that too, you know.

Would God give someone a cleft chin in the womb? How about a missing limb? What about intersex? You do know people are born with both sets of sex chromosomes right? Some of which have both sets of genitals. God does things for his reasons.

The Sin Nature and the Curse gets worse over time. Adam lived for 930 years IIRC. We only live for 80-120 and that's only with science trying to fill the blanks and keep germs and radiation away along with other extreme practices Adam wouldn't have had in his day. Each generation seems worse, more and more and more mutations, deformities, etc. These aren't God's plan. He allows them, because there's opportunity for Him to be glorified (when a pair of parents loves their child unconditionally). As for Him putting the wrong soul in the wrong body... nope, sorry, I'm not going to buy that for an instant. That's pretty much saying God doesn't know how to do His thing.

Sorry, this is completely baseless and nothing more than speculation and personal conjecture. It's not backed by any evidence or logic.

Look up the "Placebo Effect". You can trick your brain into thinking you have a disease and you will show the symptoms. You can also trick your brain into thinking a sugar pill is a miracle cure and some diseases can cease to exist. It's been observed.

 

[rjs330]

The problem is that the Bible declares that practicing homosexuality is a sin. And the Bible declares,that practicing sinners do not inherent the kingdom of God. I don't know if people are born with homosexual tendencies or not. There is PLENTY of evidence that homosexuality is a mental disorder just like bi-polar or other mental disorders. But let's just say for argument sake that they are born gay. We are all born sinners with a sinful nature and sinful tendencies. Being born gay doesn't make you any bigger of a sinner than anyone else. I wasn't born gay but I was still born a sinner and on my way to hell just as fast as if I had been born gay.

What saved me was Grace through salvation of Jesus Christ. Through him I now have the power to overcome sin and no longer live a sinful lifestyle. Homosexuals have the SAME opportunity. Accept Christ and no longer live a homosexual,lifestyle. They may battle their homosexuality just like a saved alcoholic has to battle his alcoholism but they can do it through Christ. However if they continue to engage in homosexual behavior then they will find themselves at the gates of help when their life is over.

The problem is when sinners want to excuse their sin and claim to be saved and still practice their sin. It would be like an adulterer claiming that their sin was cool with God because he made them to love women so much they can't help themselves. Sorry. Sin is sin is sin. We can't excuse it away. I know I've tried to excuse my own sin away but God has made it very clear that he means what he says and that I needed to stop excusing my sin and start living by the power of Christ within me. I don't always succeed but I don't LIVE in sin.

 

[Marius27]

The problem is that the Bible declares that practicing homosexuality is a sin.

Nope it doesn't, no matter how much people want Leviticus, Romans, and Corinthians to be targeted at homosexuals, they were not.

There is PLENTY of evidence that homosexuality is a mental disorder just like bi-polar or other mental disorders.

Lol what? There is absolutely zero evidence that it's a disorder. It hasn't been viewed as a disorder since the 1970s. There is no pathology associated with it, so you are in fact wrong.

 

[Marius27]

You do realize what a Eunuch IS, right? Hint: A Eunuch is not a gay person.

Jesus describes 3 different types of Eunuchs, and yes one of them was that cultures concept of gays.

 

[David4223]

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