Homosexuality is an orientation. It refers to one's emotional/romantic/sexual attractions, regardless of one's actions. A celibate homosexual is still homosexual, despite never engaging in homosexual acts.
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Homosexuality is an orientation. It refers to one's emotional/romantic/sexual attractions, regardless of one's actions. A celibate homosexual is still homosexual, despite never engaging in homosexual acts..... what exactly is the difference, then, between homosexuality and homosexual sex? I'm not really understanding it.
I think God is deeply saddened how much harm his Christian followers have caused to LGBT people. In fact, my personal thoughts are the LGBTs are one of God's tests on his followers to see if they can follow his commands to love and not judge in the face of something people don't understand and many don't like. Obviously lots of people are failing that test and will be held accountable for it.And, how DOES God feel about all this chicanery?
This is false. None of those verses refer to modern day homosexuals, neither the Old Testament, Timothy, or Corinthians even mention gay women, and since when do Christians cling to Leviticus? By your logic, all Christians are doomed for wearing mixed fabrics and working on the Sabbath. Such hypocrisy.If homosexuals continue homosexual sex until the Lord comes they are doomed yes. That's not my opinion but Gods'. Read it for yourself: 1 Cor. 6: 9-10, Rom. 1: 26,27; 1 Tim. 1:10, Rev. 21 8; Lev. 18: 22, 29, 30.
No, Paul did not. Corinthians didn't mention homosexuals for the first 1940 years of Christianity.Yes, Paul warned the church that the practicing homosexual will go to hell. This is scary for me. I am a homosexual. I do not however engage, except through fantasy and lust. I am trying to repent, but it is so hard for me.
I gave up porn, but I still lust. I have been lusting for years.
Sin is sin. This question shouldn't have to be asked. Anyone who has not repented and placed their faith and trust in Christ goes to hell.Let me hear your opinion...please...
This is a beautiful post.Hi, CedricI am Bill God bless you Jesus Christ is the Lord of all, and Jesus died on the cross for all of us, because Jesus has hope for you as much as for anyone else. So, Jesus has more hope for you, than you have for yourself ! ! !
So, make sure you have trusted in Christ (Ephesians 1:12). Trust God to make you able to surrender to Him and submit to Him in His peace. His peace is almighty, strong enough to make you safe from evil desires and feelings and thoughts which would mess with you (Philippians 4:6-7).
And . . . "by the way" . . .we all need a lot more correction, than to only get free of lusts.
And I offer, that any lust can be very convincing and dominating and driving so we feel we can't make it go away. But God can easily and breezily and beautifully make Satanic things flee from us.
"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)
I have been a perpetual bully who had hobbies in other cruel things; I was so Satanic, that I found my cruel activities to be entertaining. And I have given in to various immoral and perverted things. After doing evil on purpose, I became a devout person in a religion witch boasts itself to be better than all the rest, and during that I could become a mess of worry and painful social self-consciousness while into that religion the way I was.
And cruel and conceited ideas, and sexually evil thoughts and feelings can still come back, but God has in moments made any of that stuff go away - - He has cleared me so well, that moments later I would forget I had the problem, and I would "need" to be reminded that He made them go away, so I could thank Him
So, it is not about how able you are, but how God is able (1 Peter 5:7).
And what has helped me has not been only finding ways and methods for how I should defend and discipline myself, but to seek God to correct and cure my character so I am immune to sickly evil stuff. But this comes with growing in His love which makes us immune even like He is >
"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
As I have kept dealing with how the Bible says to relate in love with people, I have gotten stronger in God's love. And His strength is in His all-loving and generously forgiving love, so that evil and cruel and lustful things can not get the better of me and my attention, even.
One thing that can help is >
"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation,"
This is in Philippians 2:14-16. Instead of feeding on your failure and how you could go to hell, feed on things like this, in the Bible. And, "of course", make sure you have first trusted in Christ (Ephesians 1:12), so you can get started in this, the way Jesus will take us >
"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)
If we have trusted in Jesus, and not only copy-catted what others tell us to do, Jesus will do this with us; God does succeed in us, so that "as He is, so are we in this world," John clearly says in 1 John 4:17. So, do not accept any failure and excuses! But we keep confessing however we do fail, but keep trusting how God succeeds.
And feed on all the other things the Bible says about how we all need correction; do not get focused only on the sexual issue things. There is a lot more needed, and it has to do with how God's love will have us become, in personal and sensitive sharing with Him while we obey how He rules us in His own peace > Colossians 3:15 > and how His love has us tenderly relating with one another (Ephesians 4:31-5:2), while loving any and all people who do not know God (Matthew 5:46), having hope for any evil person, at all, to become adopted to join us as family > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).
So, don't be tricked into only being concerned about gay stuff > that can be a decoy to keep your attention away from all the correction and all the good which our Father has for us through Jesus His own Son
So, by the way, this all feeds to answer the question about if gays will go to hell. Hebrews 12:4-11 clearly says that if we do not get our Father's correction, "you are illegitimate and not sons". So, seek our Father for all His correction, and not only for some one or two things which are getting a lot of attention.
"Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:9-11)
So, our Father's correction cures our nature so we become "partakers of His holiness", and this is in His own love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness". This holiness and peaceable fruit of righteousness in our hearts makes us ready to share with our Groom Jesus and each other, for all eternity. So, if gays or anyone else are "without" this correction, it says "you are illegitimate and not sons". And to me this means a person could go to hell, if he or she does not get started to submit to our Father's correction. So, committed gays are not the only ones who have not obeyed how our Father corrects us, in His preparation to have us with Him for all eternity.
So, instead of only worrying about if you could go to hell . . . trust in Jesus and submit to our Father for this correction; and actively keep seeking Him for this correction, so we share in His own holiness of His love, and so we are enjoying the peace of His righteousness in us. God desires this for us; so He is the real Father, who loves us more than we care about our own selves; He is almightily able to succeed and He is committed to doing all His word means, with us > all He Himself understands His word to mean > Isaiah 55:11.
So, as much as we still will fail, confess this to God and keep trusting how He alone is able.
What is your exegesis of Romans 1:26-27?This is false. None of those verses refer to modern day homosexuals, neither the Old Testament, Timothy, or Corinthians even mention gay women, and since when do Christians cling to Leviticus? By your logic, all Christians are doomed for wearing mixed fabrics and working on the Sabbath. Such hypocrisy.
Refers to Christians who turned away from God to go back to their pagan roots, and they started creating idols and statues to worship animals and nature over God. This worship involved prostitution in the temples of pagan gods. For their idolatry and rejection of him, God let them fall into their own hedonism and depravity. Just by pure logic and statistics, we know that at least 90-95% of Paul's audience would have been heterosexual. This is further proven by Romans 2, where Paul declares everyone guilty of sinning against God and should not judge those he's speaking to in Romans 1. If Paul were condemning gays in Romans 1, logic would indicate he's calling his entire audience gay in Romans 2 which is just plain absurd.What is your exegesis of Romans 1:26-27?
No, Paul did not. Corinthians didn't mention homosexuals for the first 1940 years of Christianity.
I pretty much agree with this, I don't know for sure about temple prostitution but that seems like a logical deducted.Refers to Christians who turned away from God to go back to their pagan roots, and they started creating idols and statues to worship animals and nature over God. This worship involved prostitution in the temples of pagan gods. For their idolatry and rejection of him, God let them fall into their own hedonism and depravity.
Agreed.Just by pure logic and statistics, we know that at least 90-95% of Paul's audience would have been heterosexual.
Agreed.
This is where we disagree. There are many sins listed there that God turned them over to besides verses 26-27. Unless one can say they have never done any of these as well.....then they can't judge themselves to be more righteous than someone else.
Homosexuality is an orientation. It refers to one's emotional/romantic/sexual attractions, regardless of one's actions. A celibate homosexual is still homosexual, despite never engaging in homosexual acts.
Hi Svt4Him,
In Christ you're not under the law, neither judged by the law of sin and death. You're free through the law of the Spirit of life in Jesus (Romans 8:2). We don't get tickets for breaking the law of sin. He leads us along the way of holiness, in the Spirit and not the flesh. In this grace God is working on our hearts to grow in Christ.
Yes, those in unbelief are condemned, because they are still in their sins; and the wages of sin is death. However Jesus did not judge them.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Wrong. There were already words in Greek that referred to homosexuality and Paul didn't use them. The Greek word Paul used cannot refer to women, since it specifically refers to male (singular). Just like absolutely no mention of gay women exists in the Old Testament. And Paul's word has never in classical literature been listed among sexual vice lists or sins. There is no evidence that Paul's statement in Corinthians has ever referred to homosexuality.Nope, simply not true...again. The english word was put in the Bible in the early 1900's but the original means exactly the same thing. Man with man, woman with woman.
Wrong. There were already words in Greek that referred to homosexuality and Paul didn't use them. The Greek word Paul used cannot refer to women, since it specifically refers to male (singular). Just like absolutely no mention of gay women exists in the Old Testament. And Paul's word has never in classical literature been listed among sexual vice lists or sins. There is no evidence that Paul's statement in Corinthians has ever referred to homosexuality.
This is false. None of those verses refer to modern day homosexuals, neither the Old Testament, Timothy, or Corinthians even mention gay women, and since when do Christians cling to Leviticus? By your logic, all Christians are doomed for wearing mixed fabrics and working on the Sabbath. Such hypocrisy.
No, Paul did not. Corinthians didn't mention homosexuals for the first 1940 years of Christianity.
Uh, no. Adultery refers to cheating on your spouse. If you're not married, you can't commit adultery.So if I'm attracted to women, I'm an adulterer even if I don't engage in a relationship. Weird.
The earliest use of the word in question involved economic sins, possibly involving prostitution considering how common it was among pagans and it's parallel reference to Leviticus' prohibition on pagan prostitution. Regardless, the word Paul used only refers to a singular male (Arseno). For that reason, Protestants and Martin Luther translated it as masturbaters for many years. But it cannot refer to women. Yet modern day Bibles have translated it as "homosexuals" which includes gay women, despite the originally word not referring to them. That shows clear bias on the part of the translators.He didn't? Then please explain to me the meaning behind these verses:
1 Corinthians 6:9
And then it is mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:10 .
If that isn't talking about homosexual men, then what DOES it mean?
How many times do I have to repeat this. Abomination does not exist in Hebrew. That is not what the word in question means. God never called anything "abomination". The creators of the King James Bible did. There are 3 different words in Hebrew that were translated that way, and they don't all mean what abomination means in English. The original word does not carry the same morally evil connotation that we hold to "abomination". As I have pointed out, burning incense is an "abomination" according to the KJV. Are you really going to tell me that's a moral evil comparable to murder? Eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics are called an "abomination". Are they comparable to murder?When God calls something an "Abomination", that means it is something that He feels very strongly about, something that offends Him.
Do you think He'd use such harsh words for something He doesn't really care about, other than for His chosen people to set themselves aside from everybody else?
Please note, he called it an ABOMINATION. That's a pretty strong word. That, to me, says "I hate this thing, and I don't want anybody doing it, Jewish or Gentile".
Now, we have to ask ourselves as Christians... "Should we be doing anything that God labelled as an 'abomination'?"
God never called Stealing, or even Murder an "Abomination". He said "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not steal." but yet He never called murder and stealing "Abomination".
Something tells me that He finds homosexual sex especially sickening and perverse, profane...
I don't know about you, friend, but I don't want God to feel sickened by my actions. I'm not going to sit here and go "oh, that's just Leviticus, that doesn't apply to us".
Yes, maybe Leviticus was Mosaic Law meant for the Jews... but when God says it is an "abomination", I ask myself, "do I really want to commit an 'abomination'?"
The answer is a resounding, "NO".
And if God finds homosexuality so sickening, why did he create the entire animal kingdom with homosexuals and bisexuals?
Why are some humans biologically wired to be attracted to the same-sex? (And before you say he didn't or it was Satan, we have scientific evidence that shows it is part of nature and occurs before birth).
And if it's so bad, why doesn't he change every gay person who has ever prayed to be straight?
All overwhelming evidence in existence says he doesn't.
Which means he has a purpose for it existing.
God loves diversity. Homosexuality exists in all species.
Hatred/disgust of homosexuality exists in only one. Sounds like the anti-gay view is what God truly finds sickening.
With that reasoning God wants people to be sick and die because He didn't heal everyone.And if God finds homosexuality so sickening, why did he create the entire animal kingdom with homosexuals and bisexuals? Why are some humans biologically wired to be attracted to the same-sex? (And before you say he didn't or it was Satan, we have scientific evidence that shows it is part of nature and occurs before birth). And if it's so bad, why doesn't he change every gay person who has ever prayed to be straight? All overwhelming evidence in existence says he doesn't. Which means he has a purpose for it existing. God loves diversity. Homosexuality exists in all species. Hatred/disgust of homosexuality exists in only one. Sounds like the anti-gay view is what God truly finds sickening.
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