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I see, Thank you. So that means that God sent Himself in human form to Earth to be killed by man in order to impress Himself enough to make the decision that man should, after all, be saved. Got it.
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I see, Thank you. So that means that God sent Himself in human form to Earth to be killed by man in order to impress Himself enough to make the decision that man should, after all, be saved. Got it.
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It's astonishing that you've never engaged in a discussion over the morality of a fictional character.
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The technical term is ontological subordination.
I'll be glad to explain it to you, if you're sincerely interested.
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Romans 3:26b that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
And no ... Jesus wasn't killed by man; He laid His own life down.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
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OK, I'll amend my statement to:
God sent Himself in human form to Earth to commit suicide in order to impress Himself enough to make the decision that man should, after all, be saved.
Is that better?
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And this is without even touching on the other absurdities raised by God doing things to impress Himself enough to make a decision about a situation He devised Himself. God is, in effect, giving Himself a gold star for His own actions, which were completely unnecessary as only He makes the decisions.
Remember, this all flows from God alone deciding whether Jesus had paid the price for humanity's sins. If it's all God's decision, then no one else is involved in those decisions. It's Him alone. He decides. Absurdity results.
Remember, this all flows from God alone deciding whether Jesus had paid the price for humanity's sins. If it's all God's decision, then no one else is involved in those decisions. It's Him alone. He decides. Absurdity results.
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Perhaps it's through these "absurdities" that God can flesh out a subset of humanity to be used as a target for missionary work?
Through God's "absuridities," you guys advertise yourselves; as well as your levels of understanding.
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Or perhaps it's simply absurd -- and certain people have chosen to latch onto those absurdities as a means to assuage their own neuroses...
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Or perhaps it's a story that can only make sense to those who have no wish to look beyond what's in it for them.
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Like they didn't do in Noah's time, when Noah was involved in 'absurd' work, building an Ark in a landlocked location; or priests in Joshua's time, marching around a superfort?
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Looks like Mr. Strawberry hit it on the head. AV assumes that the story of Noah's ark is nothing more than historical fact, and that the story of Joshua at Jericho is nothing more than what was written down.
Discussing Noah with you is a lost cause, AV, but tell me -- did it ever occur to you that there might be details in the battle of Jericho that might not have made it into the "official" account, but are there to those who pay attention? Details which would explain Joshua's victory in more mundane terms?
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Well, let's look at the facts, shall we:
The Hebrews had an army of about what -- 6,000, give or take? (My memory's a little rusty on this, so bear with me) While archaeologists have estimated that the city of Jericho had a total population of about 2500. Assuming about 500 of those were actual soldiers, we're looking at a rather one-sided battle without the walls.
However. the Hebrew army was almost entirely light infantry -- they were built for speed ("blitzkrieg" tactics, if you don't mind the irony) not for siege warfare.
Knocking down the walls (conventionally) is not an option; climbing over them will get them picked off by the guards, and starving them out won't do -- the longer the Hebrews stay in one location, the more likely that their enemies will find them and send out a force they can't fight off. (When your strategy is based on mobility, standing still is suicide)
So... before we jump straight to divine intervention, how could such an army bypass the walls?
Here's a hint: How did the Greeks do it at Troy?
If you can follow where I'm going with this, I'll tell you one way they could've done it -- no divine sonic weaponry required.
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