Do you believe in once saved, always saved?

[Ave Maria]

Hello everyone. I know I am not a Baptist but I am making a poll here to see of the majority of Baptists and Anabaptists on this forum believe in once saved, always saved. Thanks!

 

[MrJim]

This anabaptist votes no

 

[arunma]

I'll say yes, but with the qualification that OSAS is often misunderstood and sometimes blatently misused. There are pastors out there who teach that if you receive Christ at one point in your life, and later go apostate, you will still be saved. This is patently false, because no one can reject Christ and live (regardless of a decision one made at the age of six).

Although Menno and I voted differently, my guess is that our views on this subject are very close.

 

[mlqurgw]

I voted yes but only because you asked so nicely. I do not believe in once saved always saved but in preseverence of the saints. They aren't the same thing as Arunma has pointed out.

 

[Matthan]

To say that a person who accepts Christ as his Savior, and the Holy Spirit has entered into his body and he is born again, can somehow reject Jesus later in life, is to say that the Holy Spirit is not absolutely perfect because He made the mistake of entering into that person only to be rejected later. Now, does any person on this forum honestly believe that is possible?

When the Holy Spirit "baptizes" a person by entering into her or him, you can rest assurred that it is forever, and nobody will ever pluck that person out of our Savior's hand. The perfection and omniscience of God assures everyone so baptized that they are forever sealed by Him.

Therefore, once a person has been truly saved, that person is always saved.

There are lots of people who once claimed to be "Christian" but later left the church and rejected Jesus. Does anyone believe that any of them were honestly saved, and that despite what they might claim?

Matthan

 

[MrJim]

I'll say yes, but with the qualification that OSAS is often misunderstood and sometimes blatently misused. There are pastors out there who teach that if you receive Christ at one point in your life, and later go apostate, you will still be saved. This is patently false, because no one can reject Christ and live (regardless of a decision one made at the age of six).

Although Menno and I voted differently, my guess is that our views on this subject are very close.

My view is actually very close to the Lutheran view-remember Luther-that reformation guy-big german dude?

 

[IisJustMe]

There are pastors out there who teach that if you receive Christ at one point in your life, and later go apostate, you will still be saved.

But on the other hand, someone saved under the shed blood of Jesus can't "go apostate" because that implies the inability of God to preserve those whom He has saved. That's heresy.

This is patently false, because no one can reject Christ and live (regardless of a decision one made at the age of six).

Two possibilities here: They're backslidden, in which case they will either repent and return to the love, worship and service of Christ, or -- as Paul suggested might happen to the young Corinthian man who slept with his stepmother -- he will be removed from this life that he may be saved in the day of the Lord. Not that God would take back his salvation, but that He would remove the young man for his poor witness. Study the passage. It offers an interesting perspective on the concept.

 

[RichardT]

Yes

 

[PashaM]

salvation is a free gift. Can you loose a gift? Yes you can, is it Jusus' falt you lost it? No.
True, no force from "ouside" is able to steel us from Christs hand, but sice we have free will we can deside to leave faith (for whatever reason)
Read following verses:
*For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins (lost salvation)
*For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, (lost salvation) to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
*If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny uslost salvation)
*For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. (lost salvation)

 

[country]

Yes

 

[PashaM]

Yes what?

 

[Taylor43]

I say yes once we a saved we have eternal life no matter what. Only God can be the Judge on this. For me i feel everyday i am a forgiven sinner To reconize we make mistake and come Humble before the Lord helps.

I see no where in the bible where we lose salvation unless we curse that God is not real. I know that is a real commandment but if you are aware ask for him to forgive. Jesus Forgives all sins the most important is for us to repent and seek his forgiveness.

Also God understands our trials and he wants us each to lean on him even when it hurts.

Satan wants to let you know God is not real, he can convince you easliy. But if you feel you are not following God and him being real you can by repenting recieve his forgiveness.

Losing Salvation i do not believe you have. God loves you Keeping you in my prayers
Love
Taylor

 

[IisJustMe]

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and noone is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (John 10:27-29)

Now, how does that apply to your statement?

salvation is a free gift. Can you loose a gift? Yes you can, is it Jusus' falt you lost it? No.

"No one" means "no one" including yourself. If truly saved through the confession that one is a sinner in need of a Savior and claiming Jesus as one's Savior, then there is no way one can "walk away." If there is backsliding, as I said in an earlier post, repentance or physical death will be the result.

True, no force from "ouside" is able to steel us from Christs hand, but sice we have free will we can deside to leave faith (for whatever reason)

Why would anyone willingly do that? Does that really make sense to you? If you leave a storm shelter in the middle of a tornado, then you must not have a firm grasp of the situation. That would be the same case with someone who "willingly leaves" the love and protection of Christ. They don't understand it is love and protection. They don't really know Who Jesus is, what He has done, or why He has done it. Therefore, they are not saved, but have only had an emotional or intellectual experience, neither of which constitutes salvation.

I find it amazing that you quote Hebrews 6:1-6, which is the favorite passage of opponents of the biblical precept of eternal security. Do you not understand that it is most definitely speaking against losing one's salvation? Probably not, because adherents to this philosophy ignore vv. 7 and 8.

For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned. (Hebrews 6:7, 8)

If the revelation of Christ is accepted into the heart [i.e, "drinks the rain"] it brings forth fruit and receives God's blessing. (v.7) But if exposure to the gospel makes no difference in that life ["it yields thorns and thistles"], then there is no salvation. THAT is what Hebrews 6:1-8) teaches.

"If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us."

The 2 Timothy 2:11-13 passage is speaking of the difference between the lost and the saved. There is no indication in the Greek or the English that anyone can lose their salvation, only that those who refuse to acknowledge Christ as Savior and Lord ("deny him") are condemned. Don't try to read things into Scripture that simply are not there. Paul is reiterating to Timothy how to preach the gospel.

You also cite 1 Corinthians 11:30 as "evidence" of lost salvation, but that is not what Paul was writing of in that passage. He is speaking of those who refuse to examine themselves for the faith, those who pretend at being Christians, who attend all the right services and bible studies, who act pious and righteous, but who in fact are like those who have never known Him, because they never had anything more than an emotional or intellectual experience.

Salvation cannot be lost. It can be counterfeited, and often is. But lost? Is God so limited in power that we are able to overcome His gifts? That's heresy.

 

[Daniels]

Heb

6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the
world to come,
6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing
they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to
an open shame.​

 

[Cright]

yup, I believe in OSAS

 

[sing4him]

Most definitely I believe in once saved always saved!

I've got eternal security!!!
Praise God

 

[MomBlessedBy2]

I"m another believer in OSAS.

 

[JPPT1974]

If you really and truely want Jesus
Into your life as Savior & Lord
And repent of your sins and ask
For His forgiveness and follow through
With baptism and church going as well
Also with prayer and bible study
Then you are saved for sure!

 

[thepianist]

Hello everyone. I know I am not a Baptist but I am making a poll here to see of the majority of Baptists and Anabaptists on this forum believe in once saved, always saved. Thanks!

Sorry, but I must say that I don't believe in 'some form' of once saved, always saved. I believe that God meant exactly what He said: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." We are clearly told that what He gives us is everlasting - eternal - forever!!!

 

[sing4him]

Sorry, but I must say that I don't believe in 'some form' of once saved, always saved. I believe that God meant exactly what He said: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." We are clearly told that what He gives us is everlasting - eternal - forever!!!

Amen!!!
Very well put!!!