Do you believe in once saved, always saved?

[RaginCajun88]

I believe its impossible to lose your salvation. If someone who at one point in their life displayed Christian characteristics and stopped doing such then turns away from God cant be classified as losing their salvation. I think the question should be were they ever a Christian to begin with.

 

[Picture.Of.Obedience]

To say that a person who accepts Christ as his Savior, and the Holy Spirit has entered into his body and he is born again, can somehow reject Jesus later in life, is to say that the Holy Spirit is not absolutely perfect because He made the mistake of entering into that person only to be rejected later. Now, does any person on this forum honestly believe that is possible?

When the Holy Spirit "baptizes" a person by entering into her or him, you can rest assurred that it is forever, and nobody will ever pluck that person out of our Savior's hand. The perfection and omniscience of God assures everyone so baptized that they are forever sealed by Him.

Therefore, once a person has been truly saved, that person is always saved.

There are lots of people who once claimed to be "Christian" but later left the church and rejected Jesus. Does anyone believe that any of them were honestly saved, and that despite what they might claim?

Matthan

you said it perfectly!!

 

[holyrokker]

I have to say "no" to the question.

Salvation isn't some legally binding contract whereby God is now eternally obligated to "save" someone because he/she has "accepted" Jesus.

Salvation is based on a trust relationship between an undeserving sinner and a merciful God.

If there is no continued loving relationship between said sinner and God, then there is no salvation for the sinner.

Hebrews 10:26-31

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[eldermike]

I have to say "no" to the question.

Salvation isn't some legally binding contract whereby God is now eternally obligated to "save" someone because he/she has "accepted" Jesus.

Salvation is based on a trust relationship between an undeserving sinner and a merciful God.

If there is no continued loving relationship between said sinner and God, then there is no salvation for the sinner.

Hebrews 10:26-31

Are you saying that salvation is based on the how much we love God?; On how long we are willling to love God?; How much we trust God?

The scripture you cited says (parapharsed) You are saved by grace because there is nothing left for you to do once Christ died for your sins.

 

[RaginCajun88]

Are you saying that salvation is based on the how much we love God?; On how long we are willling to love God?; How much we trust God?

The scripture you cited says (parapharsed) You are saved by grace because there is nothing left for you to do once Christ died for your sins.

 

[Savedsis]

Are you saying that salvation is based on the how much we love God?; On how long we are willling to love God?; How much we trust God?

The scripture you cited says (parapharsed) You are saved by grace because there is nothing left for you to do once Christ died for your sins.

And Amen AGAIN.

 

[holyrokker]

Are you saying that salvation is based on the how much we love God?; On how long we are willling to love God?; How much we trust God?

The scripture you cited says (parapharsed) You are saved by grace because there is nothing left for you to do once Christ died for your sins.

I don't think that's what I said. I read my post again, and those weren't my words. Please don't accuse me of saying something that I didn't say.

Hebrews 10 is a warning not to return to a life of sin.

 

[RaginCajun88]

I believe that there are periods of times when we struggle. Many times I find myself falling into temptation but the key is that I'm no longer a slave to sin anymore. Even though I struggle time to time God in His mercy picks me back up and puts me back on the right track.

 

[eldermike]

I don't think that's what I said. I read my post again, and those weren't my words. Please don't accuse me of saying something that I didn't say.

Hebrews 10 is a warning not to return to a life of sin.

Ok, but you said this:

Salvation is based on a trust relationship between an undeserving sinner and a merciful God.

If there is no continued loving relationship between said sinner and God, then there is no salvation for the sinner.

I'll use only your words this time and forgive me if I offended you in any way.


I believe this: There is no "between" situation in salvation. That is why it seemed to me that you are giving co-credit for your salvation. I could have missunderstood you.

I disagree on Hebrews 10.

 

[holyrokker]

Ok, but you said this:

I'll use only your words this time and forgive me if I offended you in any way.


I believe this: There is no "between" situation in salvation. That is why it seemed to me that you are giving co-credit for your salvation. I could have missunderstood you.

I disagree on Hebrews 10.

No offense.

I'm curious as to how you understand Hebrews 10, and why.

 

[Anwelyn]

Two verses:

John 8:36 "If the Son has set you free, you are free indeed."

Romans 8:38-39 "For I am convinced that niether death nor life, niether angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither hight nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Yes, once saved, always saved! Thank you Jesus!

 

[Erinwilcox]

Personally, I rather use the term: Perseverence of the Saints. The term OSAS has some connotations that I do not like and which I do not believe are biblical.

So, in conclusion, my view is:

Everyone who is truly saved will always remain truly saved.

 

[JPPT1974]

Once Jesus comes into your life
If you ask Him too, He is there in
A Heartbeat!

 

[RaginCajun88]

Once Jesus comes into your life
If you ask Him too, He is there in
A Heartbeat!

This is very true but at the same time I think it's important that the assurance of your salvation is not in some words you said at one point in your life. The assurance should be in the change in the way you live your life. You shall know them by their fruit.

 

[JacobHall86]

Personally, I rather use the term: Perseverence of the Saints. The term OSAS has some connotations that I do not like and which I do not believe are biblical.

So, in conclusion, my view is:

Everyone who is truly saved will always remain truly saved.

I said the same thing a couple of pages back. But we are Calvinists, so we are a little differant.

 

[Erinwilcox]

But we are Calvinists, so we are a little differant.

Ouch! Was I that obvious?

Truly though, I would like to bring up this passage:

Mat 7:20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.Mat 7:21¶Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mat 7:22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


It is a sobering reminder that there can be false hopes--hope in works, lifestyles, a prayer that was spoken with the tongue but not the heart. . .

People I know made a profession once, prayed a prayer once, walked an aisle once, but never once did their lives change, never once did they turn from their evil ways. . .but "I'm a Christian!" they'll tell you--but they can't get out of bed on Sunday morning to go to church, they can't spare the time to read their Bible, and they can't even stay awake during a short devotion at Christmas time. Now, I will not say for certain that they are not saved, but I will say that one look at their evil ways says a lot about them and makes me question it. But, some say "Once saved, always saved! Never doubt your salvation or your calling God a liar!" But God says,
Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

All who are truly saved will remain truly saved. If ones like those whom I have mentioned are not saved in the end, then they were never saved to begin with for God says that He will never leave us or forsake us.

 

[JacobHall86]

Na, it wasnt your post that gave it away. It was the calvinist Icon next to your name.

And it was the Perseverance over OSAS. All the Other Calvinists I know have the same stance that we have on it.

 

[Kensington7]

No... I do not... If it was possible to OSAS... there would have been no need for Paul to write about the "great falling away" before the Lord returns to take the church home.

And there would have been no need to warn us about "Trampling under foot the grace of God"... which will lead us to "a certain fiery judgement"...

You can not lose it, or have it taken from you.. but you can lay your salvation down and choose to go to Hell if you want. God won't force anyone to walk in holiness and to serve him. You can stop any time you want.

He will keep us if we seek that, and earnestly desire to be his, but if we want to let it go... we can.