Do you believe in ghosts?

[stevevw]

So a ghost picture exists that is real? Why isn't this front page news!?

It was back in 1968

 

[Blessedj01]

It was back in 1968

Yeah, but it's since been explained mostly to be a phenomenon of mass hysteria. Even if the apparition was true, I tell you it was NOT Mary. The Bible warns Satan will come and deceive us as an angel of light. Coincidence much?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Once while recovering from surgery I witnessed some sort of strange phenomena in the hospital. It was very vivid and I still recall many of the fine details of what I saw. I later learnt these were hallucinations from the morphine.

But that experience convinced me that the mind can certainly play out the most amazing illusion's as if they were real.

So I can understand why people can be so easily convinced and fooled by the imagination.

My mom had hallucinations from morphine too. But many people see these spirits or demon when they're not medicated.

 

[selfinflikted]

My mom had hallucinations from morphine too. But many people see these spirits or demon when they're not medicated.

Many people have visual and auditory hallucinations while not on any medication.

 

[bill5]

No, I get it. People believe what they want, even without reason. It's part of the human condition.

Yes. But believing in ghosts isn't unreasonable just because you say so or because they aren't proven. Again one could easily say that people who believed in germs were being unreasonable (in fact many said exactly that, including "experts" and scientists)...before they were proven.

......there's no such thing as ghosts.

You among others continue to state things as fact when they are only your opinion.

True. One could say the same about fairies, though. They could exist, but they probably don't. Like ghosts.

So you think faeries "probably" don't exist, but ghosts definitely don't? OK.....

Boredom, and entertainment.

Even so, that would still refute your "there's no point discussing this" remark. And frankly I doubt that's all there is to it.

It wasn't her.

It's amazing how many people here seem to think they have all the "facts."

"We" know nothing of the sort.

I notice you didn't disagree. And yeah I think "you" know better.

I hear this quite a lot from people who believe things that have little evidence. It makes me wonder just how they think these phenomena are perceived. Every sensory organ we posses interacts with the physical/natural. We have no "spiritual" sensors that we can find. Ergo anything we perceive must interact with the physical world and science should be able to detect it.

Then I guess you don't believe love exists, since it can't be proven scientifically. How sad.

Perhaps, but I do not see demanding solid evidence before accepting a claim as being either.

Even when you're asking for scientific proof of something well beyond science? OK......

So a ghost picture exists that is real? Why isn't this front page news!?

Ghosts as we think of them don't exist. Demons do though. I don't know if they can be photographed, but Satan can appear as an angel of light.

Mary is not God's mediator, Jesus is.

Mary was just a girl who did God's work.

Info on what happens when we die: What happens after death?

P.s got the record the men in the bible are great, but we are great too. There's no difference between them and us.

lol

Your honor, Exhibit A. And B and C and D for that matter. Wow good thing you're here with all the "facts." So what if they aren't facts at all and just your opinion. If you state them as facts, then they are. Got it.

Yeah, but it's since been explained mostly to be a phenomenon of mass hysteria. Even if the apparition was true, I tell you it was NOT Mary.

Well I was undecided until YOU told us it wasn't. Now I know! Thx!

 

[selfinflikted]

Yes. But believing in ghosts isn't unreasonable just because you say so or because they aren't proven. Again one could easily say that people who believed in germs were being unreasonable (in fact many said exactly that, including "experts" and scientists)...before they were proven.

It's unreasonable. You'd think in this day and age with a computer capable of 1080p video capture in the palm of everyone's hand that, with as many reports of "ghost sightings" and other paranormal phenomena, someone would have captured one on video. But alas, nope!

You among others continue to state things as fact when they are only your opinion.

So you think faeries "probably" don't exist, but ghosts definitely don't? OK.....

I don't know anything for certain. I believe ghosts exist as much as I believe fairies, Moses, unicorns, and the boogeyman exist(ed).

Even so, that would still refute your "there's no point discussing this" remark. And frankly I doubt that's all there is to it.

Well, that's all there is to it. Believe me or not, I couldn't care less. /twirl

 

[Blessedj01]

Yes. But believing in ghosts isn't unreasonable just because you say so or because they aren't proven. Again one could easily say that people who believed in germs were being unreasonable (in fact many said exactly that, including "experts" and scientists)...before they were proven. You among others continue to state things as fact when they are only your opinion. So you think faeries "probably" don't exist, but ghosts definitely don't? OK..... Even so, that would still refute your "there's no point discussing this" remark. And frankly I doubt that's all there is to it. It's amazing how many people here seem to think they have all the "facts." I notice you didn't disagree. And yeah I think "you" know better. Then I guess you don't believe love exists, since it can't be proven scientifically. How sad. Even when you're asking for scientific proof of something well beyond science? OK...... lol Your honor, Exhibit A. And B and C and D for that matter. Wow good thing you're here with all the "facts." So what if they aren't facts at all and just your opinion. If you state them as facts, then they are. Got it. Well I was undecided until YOU told us it wasn't. Now I know! Thx!

I do have all the facts. Most of the fundamental facts anyway. They are in the Bible.

Welcome to Christianforums.com where Christians state their faith, lol. Did you get lost?

 

[selfinflikted]

I do have all the facts. Most of the fundamental facts anyway. They are in the Bible.

Welcome to Christianforums.com where Christians state their faith, lol. Did you get lost?

I notice you use "fact" and "faith" interchangeably here.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Many people have visual and auditory hallucinations while not on any medication.

Or some are actually seeing spirits or demons.

 

[selfinflikted]

Or some are actually seeing spirits or demons.

I'll go with the former.

 

[Belk]

I notice you didn't disagree.

Yes, I did disagree. That is precisely what "We know nothing of the sort." is.

And yeah I think "you" know better.

I think you should start addressing the contents if my posts instead of trying to project my opinions on to me.

Then I guess you don't believe love exists, since it can't be proven scientifically. How sad.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Love exists as interactions in our mind and yet science is still able to show how it happens.

We can see love. Measure love. Tell when someone is experiencing love because it causes physical interactions. Everything we can perceive cause physical interactions and so it is in the purview of science.

Even when you're asking for scientific proof of something well beyond science? OK......

Explain how it is beyond science. Explain how science can not measure it but we can perceive it.

 

[Blessedj01]

I notice you use "fact" and "faith" interchangeably here.

Welcome to Christianforums.com, the clue is in the title.

 

[selfinflikted]

Welcome to Christianforums.com, the clue is in the title.

Gee thanks, since I've been here years longer than you.

Also, still waiting on evidence of ghosts' existence.

 

[Mcleanch1]

I think we try to understand and explain events using our senses. Most ghost stories occur during a period where one or more of the senses are unusable or hindered, namely sight, in a dark building or room. Lacking that sense of sight, it's difficult to explain what is happening. So we use our imagination.

 

[selfinflikted]

I think we try to understand and explain events using our senses. Most ghost stories occur during a period where one or more of the senses are unusable or hindered, namely sight, in a dark building or room. Lacking that sense of sight, it's difficult to explain what is happening. So we use our imagination.

Sure. Also, some people are likely mistaken, hallucinating, lying, or any number of other things.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yep. I know it well.

They are "curious" and "nice" if you play ball and, even unwittingly allow them to energy mine i.e. give them what they want/indulge them. As soon as you do not, they become mean and incredibly vicious. Sometimes these entities just decide to skip it and mine energy by being themselves - evil.

They lie, they deceive, and they pretend to be familiar. "Ghosts" exist - they are called demons. No Human is waiting to move on... everyone is waiting judgment. Demons, by definition, are the remnant of angel/human products who remain spiritually awake on earth, forced to wander forever. They beg to possess a body, which is where you (hukans) come in.

Even some unbelievers will invoke Christ when assaulted by them, and they have been around for thousands of years watching us (their fathers were watcher angels.) So, often times they will be able to impersonate a dead relative precisely and accurately. It is a lie: call on Christ with faith, belief and authority and watch them smolder before being forced to leave.

"The power of Christ compells you!!!
The power of Christ compells you!!!
The power of Christ compells you!!!"

 

[bill5]

Yes, I did disagree. That is precisely what "We know nothing of the sort." is.

No, what that precisely is is saying "don't know." But thx for confirming your stance.

I think you should start addressing the contents if my posts instead of trying to project my opinions on to me.

I was addressing the comments in your post, but clearly no point in belaboring this, moving on......

This is exactly what I am talking about. Love exists as interactions in our mind and yet science is still able to show how it happens.

LOL

Right. That image is a joke, as it obviously depends on people's opinions of when they were "madly in love"/etc. Hardly scientific. If Rutgers really put that out, they should hang their heads in shame.

We can see love. Measure love. Tell when someone is experiencing love because it causes physical interactions. Everything we can perceive cause physical interactions and so it is in the purview of science.

Believe that if it makes you happy. The fact remains love cannot be scientifically proven and it is not at all measurable let alone provable (scientifically of course).

Explain how it is beyond science. Explain how science can not measure it but we can perceive it.

I assume you mean ghosts, and I already did (though it applies to anything beyond our existence in this world): and it's just that, ie they are (assuming they exist that is; to me the jury is very much out) not some simple "scientific phenomena;' they are something beyond our world/universe/existence.

Also, still waiting on evidence of ghosts' existence.

I'll give you that as soon as you give us evidence of God's existence. Same logic.

Sure. Also, some people are likely mistaken, hallucinating, lying, or any number of other things.

Absolutely. In fact, I would say probably most if not all. But it is not IMO a given by any means. We simply don't know.

 

[mark kennedy]

I know a lot of people who believe in ghosts and hauntings and haunted houses etc, etc. But I have to say I do not. I am not afraid of the dark what so ever and I don't believe in ghosts. My friends laugh at me and tell me if I keep saying this stuff one day I'll see a ghost and wish I never disbelieved. Anyway, the only remotely ghastly thing that has happened to me is that one night, as I was lying in bed, the door to my room flew open. And I mean flew open. It slammed into the wall and I was freaked out. I ran downstairs to my parents both in the living room, so it wasn't them, and my brother was asleep, not him. Still to this day no explanation to it, but my brother told me the same exact thing happened to him once.

But any who, here is my theory to disprove ghosts.

When people die, they go to heaven or hell. They don't get 'lost', they don't decide to stay on earth, because if they did I bet you tons of people would stay and every house would be haunted.

I'm just looking for opinions here,

God Bless

Yes, I have one called Ralph who likes to mess with my cell phone and computer. Just kidding, I don't happen to believe in ghosts but I love ghost stories, especially when they are taken seriously.

 

[Blessedj01]

Gee thanks, since I've been here years longer than you. Also, still waiting on evidence of ghosts' existence.

If you've been here for years then you should understand this is a Christian forum. We believe God's existence to be a fact. If you don't agree, that's your version of the "facts." Don't complain if somebody posts Christian reasoning for things. No one forces you to be a part of this community.

 

[stevevw]

This is exactly what I am talking about. Love exists as interactions in our mind and yet science is still able to show how it happens.

We can see love. Measure love. Tell when someone is experiencing love because it causes physical interactions. Everything we can perceive cause physical interactions and so it is in the purview of science.

Explain how it is beyond science. Explain how science can not measure it but we can perceive it.

That is the problem with love and sex in today's society. Its based to much on the physical that many are let down and their expectations are unreal. People just cant live up to those expectations and relationships fail. Love and sex are beyond the physical and many neglect the spiritual aspect of our relationships. That is something maybe called soul love or some call it finding your soul mate. But its something that is beyond the physical and something that cant be measured.