Do you believe in ghosts?

[Inkachu]

I hate it when an interesting topic descends into "I'm right! No, I'm right! Hey, look at me, I'm righter than all of you!"

Sigh.

 

[selfinflikted]

I hate it when an interesting topic descends into "I'm right! No, I'm right! Hey, look at me, I'm righter than all of you!"

Sigh.

When there is no evidence to put forth, any topic will regress to such. It's pointless to debate the existence of ghosts.

 

[favoritetoyisjoy]

I don't want to see one, but there are many witnesses who have, and many pictures to look at online. But even at that, some faith is required because the pictures either show "orbs" or hazy blotches. I don't think we're missing anything, I'm not any way.

 

[MehGuy]

Yeah.. I saw a ghost movie a door by itself once.

I'm a believer 4 life.

 

[bill5]

It's not a moot point, lol. Why else would someone believe in the supernatural with no evidence? One wouldn't.

Sorry, no. "One" would, in fact billions do (not just ghosts...anything beyond our earthly/physical existence fits under "supernatural.") As to why, as a great jazz musician once said: "if you have to ask, there's probably no point trying to explain it." (or words to that effect) But beyond that, they may see something which would seem to indicate (in this case) a ghost's existence. I'm not saying it is or isn't, but I'm amazed anyone would seriously not get why some believe.

Yes, the evidence was still there during the dark ages. We simply lacked the tools to discover where the evidence lead. If you have a tool for detecting ghosts and you can find evidence I will find them credible.

Oh cmon. We both know you won't, regardless of what evidence is presented. It's like the old "prove God exists!" silliness. These are things which cannot be proven scientifically, as they are not simply natural/scientific phenomena.

Fine. Show me a ghost and I'll believe they exist.

Yeah right.

And they would've been wrong. Just like people who believe in ghosts.

And you "know" they are wrong because.........

Clearly you would have been one to scoff at the existence of germs before they were discovered. Or black holes. Or (etc etc).

PS: I totally agree with being skeptical about such things and kicking them in the tires or whatever. But that only means they aren't proven, not that they definitively don't exist, so saying/acting that way is only a belief - no more or less viable than people who think they do.

They exist because they exist.

And to be fair, same goes for this statement. "They exist because they exist" is your opinion only. No more, no less. Nobody on the face of this Earth knows for sure either way.

And yet academics are human and subject to the exact same foibles as the rest of us. Scoffing, attacking, and ridicule are the name of the game in Science from what I have heard. It is a rough profession and ideas and people have to stand up to the challenge to be taken seriously.

Yep. Narrow-mindedness and arrogance is also the norm. Has been for many many years.

When there is no evidence to put forth, any topic will regress to such. It's pointless to debate the existence of ghosts.

Is that why you're doing it?

 

[madaz]

Once while recovering from surgery I witnessed some sort of strange phenomena in the hospital. It was very vivid and I still recall many of the fine details of what I saw. I later learnt these were hallucinations from the morphine.

But that experience convinced me that the mind can certainly play out the most amazing illusion's as if they were real.

So I can understand why people can be so easily convinced and fooled by the imagination.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I do not believe in ghosts. I do believe in evil spirits, demons and angels.

I think of ghosts being evil spirits, demons and angels. So that's why I voted yes.

 

[Lollerskates]

Once while recovering from surgery I witnessed some sort of strange phenomena in the hospital. It was very vivid and I still recall many of the fine details of what I saw. I later learnt these were hallucinations from the morphine.

But that experience convinced me that the mind can certainly play out the most amazing illusion's as if they were real.

So I can understand why people can be so easily convinced and fooled by the imagination.

Especially if you are on a pharmaceutical whose side effects can include induced hallucinations.

Side Effects of Duramorph (Morphine Injection) Drug Center - RxList

I hope you told your doctor first, and not us.

Don't be insulting (even if you weren't trying to be.) Most people that see something other worldly are NOT on drugs, and are in their clinical right minds.

 

[faroukfarouk]

People with a Biblical worldview are likely to say the equivalent of: 'It's a ghost, Jim, but not as we know it!'

The strange ideas that are around about ghosts need to be conformed to what is Biblical about the spirit world, which is indeed real, but we need to keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2).

 

[madaz]

I hope you told your doctor first, and not us.

And you accuse me of being insulting?

 

[Lollerskates]

And you accuse me of being insulting?

Hallucinations are rare side effects of morphine, and they tend to be severe. If you had hallucinations, you should have told your doctor because it could mean you need some other drug for anesthesia. I was being serious; I hope you did tell your doctor before you told us.

I don't understand how you can expect to talk about, for all intents and purposes, a "trip," and seeing ghosts - reconciling the experience as part of the hallucinations while you were literally on drugs - to real people with real experience testimonials. It is insulting, and if you can't see that then that is a bigger problem. You don't have to admit it, but don't act like what you said didn't have a slant to it. And if it truly didn't, you should work on your communication because it sure is insensitive.

 

[madaz]

Hallucinations are rare side effects of morphine, and they tend to be severe. If you had hallucinations, you should have told your doctor because it could mean you need some other drug for anesthesia. I was being serious; I hope you did tell your doctor before you told us.


I don't understand how you can expect to talk about, for all intents and purposes, a "trip," and seeing ghosts - reconciling the experience as part of the hallucinations while you were literally on drugs - to real people with real experience testimonials. It is insulting, and if you can't see that then that is a bigger problem. You don't have to admit it, but don't act like what you said didn't have a slant to it. And if it truly didn't, you should work on your communication because it sure is insensitive.

I was simply sharing my own experience, there was no "slant" to it.

 

[selfinflikted]

Sorry, no. "One" would, in fact billions do (not just ghosts...anything beyond our earthly/physical existence fits under "supernatural.") As to why, as a great jazz musician once said: "if you have to ask, there's probably no point trying to explain it." (or words to that effect) But beyond that, they may see something which would seem to indicate (in this case) a ghost's existence. I'm not saying it is or isn't, but I'm amazed anyone would seriously not get why some believe.

No, I get it. People believe what they want, even without reason. It's part of the human condition.

Yeah right.

Exactly.

And you "know" they are wrong because.........

......there's no such thing as ghosts.

Clearly you would have been one to scoff at the existence of germs before they were discovered. Or black holes. Or (etc etc).

Maybe. Perhaps not. For instance, black holes. Though we couldn't see them, we had evidence that they were there because they affect their surroundings. Can't say the same for ghosts, at least, not in any testable, repeatable way.

PS: I totally agree with being skeptical about such things and kicking them in the tires or whatever. But that only means they aren't proven, not that they definitively don't exist, so saying/acting that way is only a belief - no more or less viable than people who think they do.

True. One could say the same about fairies, though. They could exist, but they probably don't. Like ghosts.

Is that why you're doing it?

Boredom, and entertainment.

 

[stevevw]

What about the Virgin Mary that appeared to thousands at [SIZE=-1]Coptic Orthodox Church in Zeitoun, Cairo, Egypt.
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[Blessedj01]

What about the Virgin Mary that appeared to thousands at Coptic Orthodox Church in Zeitoun, Cairo, Egypt.

It wasn't her.

 

[stevevw]

It wasn't her.

who was it or what was it.

 

[Blessedj01]

who was it or what was it.

Well, it wasn't Mary because she's a normal human being who is in Heaven and it wasn't God because He doesn't represent himself that way...

That leaves a) it was nothing and never really happened b) it happened and it was the angel of light or his followers - Satan.

Anything that is not of God is of Satan. Rule of thumb.

 

[stevevw]

Well, it wasn't Mary because she's a normal human being who is in Heaven and it wasn't God because He doesn't represent himself that way...

That leaves a) it was nothing and never really happened b) it happened and it was the angel of light or his followers - Satan.

Anything that is not of God is of Satan. Rule of thumb.

Well something happened and it wasn't an illusion because 100s of thousands seen it from average people to scientists. There were photos and they were tested and found to be real. I did read that some say it could not have been from God because often the message that was claimed was to do with Mary being the true mediator between God and people. Whereas the bible says that Jesus is the only way to God.

When you say she is a human in heaven what do you mean. I thought all people were in the graves and will be awakened when Christ returns. Or do some go straight to heaven like the great men of the bible.

 

[Belk]

Oh cmon. We both know you won't, regardless of what evidence is presented.

"We" know nothing of the sort.

It's like the old "prove God exists!" silliness. These are things which cannot be proven scientifically, as they are not simply natural/scientific phenomena.

I hear this quite a lot from people who believe things that have little evidence. It makes me wonder just how they think these phenomena are perceived. Every sensory organ we posses interacts with the physical/natural. We have no "spiritual" sensors that we can find. Ergo anything we perceive must interact with the physical world and science should be able to detect it.

Yep. Narrow-mindedness and arrogance is also the norm. Has been for many many years.

Perhaps, but I do not see demanding solid evidence before accepting a claim as being either.

 

[Blessedj01]

Well something happened and it wasn't an illusion because 100s of thousands seen it from average people to scientists. There were photos and they were tested and found to be real. I did read that some say it could not have been from God because often the message that was claimed was to do with Mary being the true mediator between God and people. Whereas the bible says that Jesus is the only way to God. When you say she is a human in heaven what do you mean. I thought all people were in the graves and will be awakened when Christ returns. Or do some go straight to heaven like the great men of the bible.

So a ghost picture exists that is real? Why isn't this front page news!?

Ghosts as we think of them don't exist. Demons do though. I don't know if they can be photographed, but Satan can appear as an angel of light.

Mary is not God's mediator, Jesus is.

Mary was just a girl who did God's work.

Info on what happens when we die: http://www.gotquestions.org/what-happens-death.html

P.s got the record the men in the bible are great, but we are great too. There's no difference between them and us.