Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[from scratch]

from scratch
A look at gal:3
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Christ is this promise. The law cannot annul the promise or Christ. Is the law referred to here the ten Commandments? the law here came 430 years after. Were the requirement of the ten commandments only observe after 430 years? No. therefore it cannot be the 10 commandments that are referred to here. The tenants of the commandments were not observed only after there were written, scripture supports that.

18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

"Before faith came". Does that mean that there were no faith. No! for Hebrews 11 makes it clear that there was faith. What is meant is verified in the latter part of the verse. Revealed, faith revealed. Christ finally came. He who all looked forward to. The sacrificial services and ordinances are reflected as the law in these verses. The ten commandments could not have been considered to give life or forgiveness of sins (21) but the sacrifices could have by the Jews. But here and in Hebrews 9 it is clear that these services could not. Jesus is the real Thing. These services pointed to His Coming and sacrifice. We now have no need of them. the real thing has come. The sanctuary services was for transgressions (19) not the 10 commandments. At the cross the veil was torn without hands revealing that it was FINISHED.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heirs according to what promise? That the law would be abolished? When was that promise given?

First I want to answer this last question. How could the promise be to abolish something that doesn't yet exist? As mentioned above something was added. What was it? Just the laws outside of the 10 Cs or the 10 Cs themselves?

In support I present Deut 4:13 - And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

This establishes that the 10 Cs are indeed the covenant.

I present Deut 5:1-5 -
1And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire, 5(I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,

This establishes to whom and where the covenant was given. Notice it doesn't include Abraham.

Are the 10 Cs called the law?

I present Roman 7: 1-7 - 1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Just so one can't say Pauls is ignorant, what is called thelaw by Paul a student of Gamaliel? Now for what Paul is calling the law. Verse one is a bout marriage not covered in the 10 Cs. Verse 3 is about adultery, commandment seven. And verse 7 is number 10, the last one which makes it inclusively the 10 Cs being referred to as the law.

Paul isn't the only one to show what is called the law. James does so in 2:8-11 - 8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James changes from royal law to the law and cites the 10 Cs while he calls the royal law being violated the law when chaging transgression.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Where's the proof to this personal unsuported opinion?

As usual the answer to your question can be found in the Bible. That's where I got the answer.

 

[Elder 111]

First I want to answer this last question. How could the promise be to abolish something that doesn't yet exist? As mentioned above something was added. What was it? Just the laws outside of the 10 Cs or the 10 Cs themselves?

In support I present Deut 4:13 - And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

This establishes that the 10 Cs are indeed the covenant.

I present Deut 5:1-5 -
1And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire, 5(I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,

This establishes to whom and where the covenant was given. Notice it doesn't include Abraham.

Are the 10 Cs called the law?

I present Roman 7: 1-7 - 1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Just so one can't say Pauls is ignorant, what is called thelaw by Paul a student of Gamaliel? Now for what Paul is calling the law. Verse one is a bout marriage not covered in the 10 Cs. Verse 3 is about adultery, commandment seven. And verse 7 is number 10, the last one which makes it inclusively the 10 Cs being referred to as the law.

Paul isn't the only one to show what is called the law. James does so in 2:8-11 - 8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James changes from royal law to the law and cites the 10 Cs while he calls the royal law being violated the law when chaging transgression.

What you have sited does not negate the 10 commandments. As long as you believes in just one of the ten you have an obligation to all. (using the same premise of James2:8-11).
You accept that a christian should serve God only that is the first. No need to go further. The problem is not the 10, it is the Sabbath. But the Sabbath can not be ignored with removing the 10. Therefore the whole of the the 10 commandments is sacrificed.
God characterizes or describes His people by two factors:

1. Those who overcome by the blood of the Lamb.
2. Those who keep His commandments.

Rev 12 11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
In other words those who receives salvation by grace through faith and keep His 10 commandments.

 

[MamaZ]

The Jews that were there were just a small part of the group that recieved the ten commandments.
And yes they have always applied to all mankind.

This was the covenant with Isreal. Now even Isreal has to come through the new Covenenat. His blood

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by from scratch Where's the proof to this personal unsuported opinion?

As usual the answer to your question can be found in the Bible. That's where I got the answer.

Do you think you are the only one here that uses the Bible

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

KJV) Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

John 5:39 "Ye are searching the scriptures, that ye are seeming in them Life age-during to be having,
and those are the ones-testifying about Me".

Reve 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them into ages of ages is ascending
and not they are having Rest day and night

 

[Hentenza]

If so we need not worship God. That is the first commandments. Do you agree?

I do not agree. Jesus gave us the commandments that summarizes the whole law (including the 10 commandments). The first commandment that Jesus gave us is to love God with all of our minds, body, and soul. I worship God because I love Him not because I follow a checklist.

 

[Hentenza]

I have no problem in stating that you or anyone who violate the 10 commandments and do not asked for forgiveness of God in the name of Jesus are in danger of eternal damnation.

I don't follow a single commandments from the tablets of stone. Not a one. Actually I can't which is why Jesus had to die for me.

That is what the bible teaches and I will not fail to represent God and His word as it is.

It does not and you are not representing the word of God but the weakness of man. Men love checklists and having a monkey on their backs.

 

[Rick Otto]

Men love checklists and having a monkey on their backs.

Dogs love it too. Think about it: who wouldn't?
YouTube - Funny Animals: Monkey rides on a dog - Rodeo

 

[Deut 5:29]

Do you think you are the only one here that uses the Bible

More often than not it seems that way.

 

[Rick Otto]

I use a whole stack of 'em:

couldn't see my monitor w/out 'em!

 

[from scratch]

As usual the answer to your question can be found in the Bible. That's where I got the answer.

So show it. If you don't show it, it isn't there.

 

[Rick Otto]

I got it here as fast as I could

 

[sunlover1]

I got it here as fast as I could

There you are, thank God!

 

[from scratch]

What you have sited does not negate the 10 commandments. As long as you believes in just one of the ten you have an obligation to all. (using the same premise of James2:8-11).

Interesting that you would still try this. First of all I have never denied the 10 Cs. I have never taught anybody to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, or worship another god. Such would be an antithesis to Christianity. I see this is a demand to keep the law, nothing more than a manipulative ploy. I've explained Jer 31:31-34 in detail and given Jesus' testimony more than once. Have used other supporting Scripture that hasn't been shown to be in agreement with your position. I've said over and over incidence isn't obedience and will add that it doesn't make obligation either. The demand still remains that if I don't support obligation to the 10 Cs, I teach people to sin. Gal 5:19-21 doesn't so indicate. Where is the rebuttal for Gal 5:19-21? The focus of Galatians 5 isn't the law.

You accept that a christian should serve God only that is the first. No need to go further. The problem is not the 10, it is the Sabbath. But the Sabbath can not be ignored with removing the 10. Therefore the whole of the the 10 commandments is sacrificed.

Absolutely I accept - no require that a Christian serve God. That isn't the problem. The problem is that I'm a NC Christian shown to be inforce by Jesus' own words. I don't accept replacement theology or British Israelism, either. The church hasn't and doesn't replace or become Israel. Your stance requires this.

God characterizes or describes His people by two factors:

1. Those who overcome by the blood of the Lamb.
2. Those who keep His commandments.

Whose commandments?

Rev 12 11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

In other words those who receives salvation by grace through faith and keep His 10 commandments.

So sorry, wrong set of commmandments. The commandment of God for the Christian is found in I John 3:23 - And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. What commandment is theChristian obligated to? The 10 Cs aren't indetified here.

 

[from scratch]

This was the covenant with Isreal. Now even Isreal has to come through the new Covenenat. His blood

 

[from scratch]

Do you think you are the only one here that uses the Bible

I ask where? He just implies that it is there. I don't usually see any Scripture from him. What ever happened to Frogster's frequent request for Scripture. Still doesn't happen does it? I've had to take up the mantra request for Scripture which is still ignored. I thought this was a theology forum, not a personal opinion forum. What is theology without Scripture?

 

[from scratch]

I don't follow a single commandments from the tablets of stone. Not a one. Actually I can't which is why Jesus had to die for me.

Same here!

It does not and you are not representing the word of God but the weakness of man. Men love checklists and having a monkey on their backs.

 

[from scratch]

I got it here as fast as I could

Needs an engine and transmission. Casters are a little slow. Just as well have a good time.

 

[Deut 5:29]

So show it. If you don't show it, it isn't there.

Now that's funny.
If I tell you something and you don't have the will to search it out, it isn't there.
That is too funny.

 

[MamaZ]

Now that's funny.
If I tell you something and you don't have the will to search it out, it isn't there.
That is too funny.

What is even more funny is that it was a statment made by you and when asked about it you said found in the bible. But yet when asked to show where suddenly there are alot of rabbit trails to go down but no sure answer.