Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[RisingSpirit]

...Is to quote Ellen G White where she boldly states her "RIGHT" to enter into heaven.

I remembered watching a Public Broadcasting show titled, "Rapture". I ran out of books defining Rapture.
It wasn't long before I ran out of books that didn't repeat what I read earlier. On the PBS show, Rapture, the host Jeffery Grant claims that Christians got their prophecy from a young teen or lady very ill on bed. She had visions of the future and I interpreted that the Rapture was based on the girl's vision according to Grant. We've heard enough on the Fatima visions and hundreds of other visions. We know that mentally ill artist's paintings are worth millions and millions of dollars like Van Gogh.

Going back to teen Ellen White, It's common to know that Ellen's friend threw a rock at her head and caused her to go into coma for months that brought forth new visions.
What I don't get is why do the prophets have to be terminally ill to give us the Word of God? Jesus never was sick. If the apostles were sick, a 10 second treatment by Jesus would cure them.

I not buying the prophecies of the ills. No Thanks.

Let us not forget the Puritan's version of the Revelation which is quite different.

 

[Rick Otto]

What kind & size of rock was it, & exactly where & how hard do I need it to hit me in the head?

Oh yeah, which one of you friends would like to throw it?
The line forms here.

 

[RisingSpirit]

What kind & size of rock was it, & exactly where & how hard do I need it to hit me in the head?

Oh yeah, which one of you friends would like to throw it?

The linr forms here.

The size of a small kid's hand. The hardness of any common rock and has been be thrown at the forehead like it happened to Ellen during her young teens.
Now a days, the Doctors can revive you much quicker so I would upgrade the rock to the size of a human heart thrown by the San Francisco Giant's pitcher.

Then I'll call you for my lottery ticket.

 

[from scratch]

There's nothing wrong in believing it's a good idea to keep the ten commandments.
The thing that's wrong with believing your obedience saves you, is in believing you are able to, or even remotely interested in doing so, on your own motivation.
It is by the grace of God alone that we have faith, not by our own will, lest mercy be not mercy and salvation become our just reward instead of God's mercy.

Who said it is wrong to keep the 10 Cs? Not me. A problem exists when it is demanded they be kept by non ehtnic Jews (Gentiles). This is the same thing that the Pharisees did in the early church causing a problem. One should note what subvert means. It means demolish and destroy according to my dictionary. It is the same vain of the unthorized Pharisees teaching that one must be circumcised and follow Moses.

What is being put forth here isn't a strick compliance and thus not a compliance with the law - not even the 10 Cs. Therefore they're not being kept even as Jesus and Paul indicate. We're charged with following the traditions and commandments of men while those charging are doing the very same thing.

I don't believe that it is God's intention that Christians become Jews or spiritual Jews. There is simply no scriptrual backing for such.

It may be said that the 10 Cs are a good rule of conduct for the Christian. That is a far cry from obligation to them. Isn't Gal 5:19-21 a good guide for Christian conduct? It approaches the behavior from the inside and not the outside. The attempted enforcing of the 10 Cs is from the outside.

Look at what Jesus taught. John 8. Jesus even changed the Passover celebration in more than one way. For instance there is no longer a sacrifical lamb slain and eaten at the observance. It also no longer has a specific observance time as the Passover. What is remembered isn't a deliverance form Egypt and slavery but Jesus Chirst the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world. The law is changed for the Jew.

As admitted by the law pusher the law is no longer a requirement and specifically for salvation. Paul asks Did you recive it by the law or by faith? Why return to the law? Where is the liberty of the law?

They have recently switched from the law to law. Wonder why? They're still making the same claim about Abraham following the law. This doesn't change the 10 Cs from being the law to a law. The attemp is to water down the calim to something that can be swallowed (believed and practiced/enforced thus by passing grace and the cross). Glatians is wonderful in explaining this. Verse 5:4 says one can't have both. Don't people trust God to do what He said and need fire insurance.

Don't they brag that they keep the commandments? Jesus said they already have their reqward - Mat 6:5, 16. They may say that's not what we do. And I reply oh really now.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

Let's see, they are the direct commandments from the very Creator God, they are not sugestions from some self-help guru.

Let me see....hummmmm. Seems pretty easy to me.

 

[from scratch]

Let's see, they are the direct commandments from the very Creator God, they are not sugestions from some self-help guru.

Let me see....hummmmm. Seems pretty easy to me.

Ah yes, but to whom are they given?

 

[Elder 111]

Jer 31:31-34 and Jesus' own testimony in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20 should be good enought to prove supercession. But maybe Hebrews 8:6-13 and 10:9 would fit the bill very well. Do you need them quoted again or will you look them up and read them? They have been quoted and discussed plenty.

You did not answer my question!
I have read those and have quoted Heb. 8 myself and will leave it here again.
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

What was wrong with the first covenant?

You did not answer my question. Which of the 10 commandments are put aside or are all of them?

 

[Elder 111]

Amen!


It's by God's grace alone. Our co-operation is just the expression of our already saving faith. Works gain you rewards IN heaven, not entrance therein.

Including the ten commandments.

 

[from scratch]

You did not answer my question!
I have read those and have quoted Heb. 8 myself and will leave it here again.
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

What was wrong with the first covenant?

You did not answer my question. Which of the 10 commandments are put aside or are all of them?

Well then I guess I need you to state which ones are superceded. To answer the last question of this post I stated Jer 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-13 with Jesus' testimony found in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20. Please explain what new and not like mean to you.

It seems to you that I'm saying it is OK to go out and murder, steal, lie and commit adlutery. I have no clue where anyone could possibly get this idea except from EGW and the SDA church. I've never made such a ridiculous statement ever promoting sin anywhere to anybody. I've provided Gal 5 more than once to cover this issue. It keeps coming back that that would be keeping the law. That would be the antithesis of the chapter - not its intent. How many times have I said incidence isn't obedience? I take it you're demanding I say I observe the law because I don't steal or commit adultery. I have replied neither does my ungodly neighbor who doesn't even talk to religious folks and with cause I might add.

If one only considers the covenant there is nothing wrong with it, except that no one could keep it, save Jesus. I've asked more than once for folks on your side of the fence to name anyone save Jesus and have no answer yet. The law served its purpose and its time has past according to Rom 11:32 and Gal 3:19. Those Scriptures still remain unread and heard. I've detailed them both with no response to that detail that a recollect. Would you kindly do an indepth presentation on them?

Am I going to hell if I don't (as in refuse to) keep the law, specifically the sabbath? A yes or no answer will be fine. It will settle the issue either way. If the answer is yes keeping the law doesn't matter and not an issue. If the answer is no it will be the same as saying I'm not a Christian. One answer will cause you to deny what you've been saying and the other will get the red button because of a violation of the rules. You're in a real bad sling. So what ya gonna do?

The law has nothing to do with my righteousness because I didn't get it from the law nor maintain by keeping the law. Read Romans and Galatians. To deny any part of either is to reject the truth. Peter caled both Scripture - II Peter 3:16.

So sorry if you don't like my answer. I did more than answer your question.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Ah yes, but to whom are they given?

They were given to humans.

It sounds like you think God has two or more sets of standards. (God changes not)

It seems you think different peoples are to live by different
moral strandards. (Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever)

The god you refer to seems to be fickle. What's up with that?

You better watch out for him, he might change the rules on you any minute...again and again and again and again and again...........................can't turst him?....sound scary.

I don't like this guy already.

 

[Hentenza]

The 10 commandments were given to the Jewish people at mount Sinai. They do not apply to the gentiles. Never have.

 

[from scratch]

They were given to humans.

Why yeppers I certianly agree that they were given to humans - specifically Israelite humans as a matter of fact. And Scripture backs that up 100%. But you're not very interested in the facts IMO.

It sounds like you think God has two or more sets of standards. (God changes not)

It seems you think different peoples are to live by different
moral strandards. (Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever)

Where oh where have I ever made or implied such nonsense? Please, I beg you to quote me.

The god you refer to seems to be fickle. What's up with that?

Nope. If you read all my posts you will find I've quoted Isa 28:10 several times which shows change. I agree that God doesn't change - Mal 3:6, a reference to God's character and not His program (will). You say this inspite of Isa 28:10, Jer 31:31-34, Hosea 2:11, Mat 26:28, MK 14:24, Lk 22:20, Romans 10:4, Gal 3:17, 19, Heb 7:12, 8:6-13, 10:9, etc. Why are these scriptures ignored or invalidated?

You better watch out for him, he might change the rules on you any minute...again and again and again and again and again...........................can't turst him?....sound scary.

I don't like this guy already.

God did change the rules. I love the new ones!!!

 

[Elder 111]

The 10 commandments were given to the Jewish people at mount Sinai. They do not apply to the gentiles. Never have.

If so we need not worship God. That is the first commandments. Do you agree?

 

[Elder 111]

Well then I guess I need you to state which ones are superceded. To answer the last question of this post I stated Jer 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-13 with Jesus' testimony found in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20. Please explain what new and not like mean to you.

It seems to you that I'm saying it is OK to go out and murder, steal, lie and commit adlutery. I have no clue where anyone could possibly get this idea except from EGW and the SDA church. I've never made such a ridiculous statement ever promoting sin anywhere to anybody. I've provided Gal 5 more than once to cover this issue. It keeps coming back that that would be keeping the law. That would be the antithesis of the chapter - not its intent. How many times have I said incidence isn't obedience? I take it you're demanding I say I observe the law because I don't steal or commit adultery. I have replied neither does my ungodly neighbor who doesn't even talk to religious folks and with cause I might add.

If one only considers the covenant there is nothing wrong with it, except that no one could keep it, save Jesus. I've asked more than once for folks on your side of the fence to name anyone save Jesus and have no answer yet. The law served its purpose and its time has past according to Rom 11:32 and Gal 3:19. Those Scriptures still remain unread and heard. I've detailed them both with no response to that detail that a recollect. Would you kindly do an indepth presentation on them?

Am I going to hell if I don't (as in refuse to) keep the law, specifically the sabbath? A yes or no answer will be fine. It will settle the issue either way. If the answer is yes keeping the law doesn't matter and not an issue. If the answer is no it will be the same as saying I'm not a Christian. One answer will cause you to deny what you've been saying and the other will get the red button because of a violation of the rules. You're in a real bad sling. So what ya gonna do?

The law has nothing to do with my righteousness because I didn't get it from the law nor maintain by keeping the law. Read Romans and Galatians. To deny any part of either is to reject the truth. Peter caled both Scripture - II Peter 3:16.

So sorry if you don't like my answer. I did more than answer your question.

I have no problem in stating that you or anyone who violate the 10 commandments and do not asked for forgiveness of God in the name of Jesus are in danger of eternal damnation. That is what the bible teaches and I will not fail to represent God and His word as it is.
We are in a sorry position when we can have the ridiculous ideas, that we as christian should not steal and lie or murder but that the very 10 commandments written by God Himself that state such is abolished.
We are even in a more sorry position when we are afraid to speak God truth while professing to be his followers and I do not want to be in that position. By God's grace I will not be a Peter.

This is what is being said by you and other supporters.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.(This is only for Jews in old testament. oops love is for the new covenant what is this doing here? Jesus said something like this didn't he?)

7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.) 8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should not comply.) 12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply: not sure.) 13Thou shalt not kill.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.) 14Thou shalt not commit adultery.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.) 15Thou shalt not steal.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.) 16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's
(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)

James 2:10 does not apply here, obviously.

 

[Elder 111]

from scratch
A look at gal:3
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Christ is this promise. The law cannot annul the promise or Christ. Is the law referred to here the ten Commandments? the law here came 430 years after. Were the requirement of the ten commandments only observe after 430 years? No. therefore it cannot be the 10 commandments that are referred to here. The tenants of the commandments were not observed only after there were written, scripture supports that.

18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

"Before faith came". Does that mean that there were no faith. No! for Hebrews 11 makes it clear that there was faith. What is meant is verified in the latter part of the verse. Revealed, faith revealed. Christ finally came. He who all looked forward to. The sacrificial services and ordinances are reflected as the law in these verses. The ten commandments could not have been considered to give life or forgiveness of sins (21) but the sacrifices could have by the Jews. But here and in Hebrews 9 it is clear that these services could not. Jesus is the real Thing. These services pointed to His Coming and sacrifice. We now have no need of them. the real thing has come. The sanctuary services was for transgressions (19) not the 10 commandments. At the cross the veil was torn without hands revealing that it was FINISHED.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heirs according to what promise? That the law would be abolished? When was that promise given?

 

[Deut 5:29]

The 10 commandments were given to the Jewish people at mount Sinai. They do not apply to the gentiles. Never have.

The Jews that were there were just a small part of the group that recieved the ten commandments.
And yes they have always applied to all mankind.

 

[MamaZ]

By God's grace I will not be a Peter.

I see this is still an on going thread. This baffled me though

 

[from scratch]

If so we need not worship God. That is the first commandments. Do you agree?

I'm absolutely in love with ridiculous statements.

 

[from scratch]

I have no problem in stating that you or anyone who violate the 10 commandments and do not asked for forgiveness of God in the name of Jesus are in danger of eternal damnation. That is what the bible teaches and I will not fail to represent God and His word as it is.
We are in a sorry position when we can have the ridiculous ideas, that we as christian should not steal and lie or murder but that the very 10 commandments written by God Himself that state such is abolished.
We are even in a more sorry position when we are afraid to speak God truth while professing to be his followers and I do not want to be in that position. By God's grace I will not be a Peter.

This is what is being said by you and other supporters.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.(This is only for Jews in old testament. oops love is for the new covenant what is this doing here? Jesus said something like this didn't he?)

7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.) 8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should not comply.) 12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply: not sure.) 13Thou shalt not kill.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.) 14Thou shalt not commit adultery.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.) 15Thou shalt not steal.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.) 16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's
(Superseded/abolished. A christian should comply.)

James 2:10 does not apply here, obviously.

I'm sorry but I didn't find a response to my request for a personal understanding of the word new and the phrase not like. Would kindly issue such a response? Thanks.

 

[from scratch]

The Jews that were there were just a small part of the group that recieved the ten commandments.
And yes they have always applied to all mankind.

Where's the proof to this personal unsuported opinion?