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Been a member for five years. You?
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The Pope doesn't see it that way.So what was being discussed??? I still think that we have proof of micro evolution but anything regaridng macro evolution is simply theory and nothing more.
P.P.S. I'm still curious if you will answer my question, about whether or not you enjoy your attempts to "catch" or "trap" a brother.
Do you enjoy laying down witty little comments to attempt to "shoot down" your brothers and sisters?
The Pope says that common descent of all living things on Earth is "virtually certain." Can't get more macro than that.So what was being discussed??? I still think that we have proof of micro evolution but anything regaridng macro evolution is simply theory and nothing more.
I'd be pleased to answer that if you'd be willing to tell us if you still beat your wife.
I don't do littleabout trolling a discussion. You should take the advice. Post seriously, and you'll be taken seriously.
Good to see the thread getting back on topic.
OK, no more troll-baiting. Where were we...?
Ah, yes. Why do Christians accept evolution? Primarily, as Pope John Paul II remarked, "truth cannot contradict truth." And Genesis plainly refutes the modern YE doctrine of "life ex nihilo."
God creates "out of nothing"
296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144 God creates freely "out of nothing":145
If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146 297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:
I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147 298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150
Pure morbid curiosity brought me back to check up on this thread and just as I thought, the TEs have come in with their "convert or conquer" routine. If you can't convince someone of your theories, just insult them.
Errm indeed.Errm before confusing the masses and asserting that the current or previous Bishop of Rome backs your pagan beliefs entirely you might want to check the catechism of YOUR own church.
Pointing out that God did not create life ex nihilo is a Christian belief. If you'll read Genesis, you'll find that Melethiel is quite right. The YE belief of "life ex nihilo" is directly refuted.Denying that God creates ex nihilo is a pagan belief.
Well, it appears you have at least one pagan belief left, if you disagree with "life from the Earth," as it says in Genesis. That's what God says.It is not at all an insult. It's a fact. Trust me. I've spent most of my life as a pagan and I'm well aware of where the line is and when it has been crossed.
BTW, the Eastern Orthodox Churches also agree that life was brought forth by the Earth, as God commanded, not ex nihilo.
I'll leave the rest as it is because you're just confusing the issue to backpeddle yourself out of what you put forth.
1) Your one-liners do not come anywhere near explaining Orthodox beliefs on anything.
It would be best if you just stuck to your own traditions.
2) For the love of all things holy can we please knock it off with the "Eastern" Orthodox nonsense. It's Orthodox, plain and simple.
I've never encountered someone who accepts theistic evolution and who also denies ex nihilo creation . . . so what's your point?Denying that God creates ex nihilo is a pagan belief. It is not at all an insult. It's a fact. Trust me. I've spent most of my life as a pagan and I'm well aware of where the line is and when it has been crossed.
He's confusing ex nihilo creation of the universe with the fact that living things were not created ex nihilo.I've never encountered someone who accepts theistic evolution and who also denies ex nihilo creation . . . so what's your point?
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