Do You Accept Evolution?

[The Barbarian]

"You must be new here."

Been a member for five years. You?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

"You must be new here."

Been a member for five years. You?

That would mean 282/5=56.4 posts a year or 56.4/365= 0.154 posts a day

 

[ArcticFox]

"You must be new here."

Been a member for five years. You?

I dunno. Less than you I'm sure. Are you a card carrying member?

P.S. My join date should be visible. You can use that.

P.P.S. I'm still curious if you will answer my question, about whether or not you enjoy your attempts to "catch" or "trap" a brother. Do you enjoy laying down witty little comments to attempt to "shoot down" your brothers and sisters?

I suspect you do, and that's why I wouldn't even bother to try to debate it with you.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

So what was being discussed??? I still think that we have proof of micro evolution but anything regaridng macro evolution is simply theory and nothing more.

 

[Mallon]

So what was being discussed??? I still think that we have proof of micro evolution but anything regaridng macro evolution is simply theory and nothing more.

The Pope doesn't see it that way.

 

[The Barbarian]

P.P.S. I'm still curious if you will answer my question, about whether or not you enjoy your attempts to "catch" or "trap" a brother.

I'd be pleased to answer that if you'd be willing to tell us if you still beat your wife.

Do you enjoy laying down witty little comments to attempt to "shoot down" your brothers and sisters?

I don't do little about trolling a discussion. You should take the advice. Post seriously, and you'll be taken seriously.

 

[The Barbarian]

So what was being discussed??? I still think that we have proof of micro evolution but anything regaridng macro evolution is simply theory and nothing more.

The Pope says that common descent of all living things on Earth is "virtually certain." Can't get more macro than that.

The first documented speciation was about 1904, BTW.

 

[ChristianSoldier85]

Good to see the thread getting back on topic.

 

[ArcticFox]

I'd be pleased to answer that if you'd be willing to tell us if you still beat your wife.

OK.

I don't do little about trolling a discussion. You should take the advice. Post seriously, and you'll be taken seriously.

Looks like someone got irked.

Actually, the problem wasn't me not being taken seriously, but you taking me way too seriously

That's cool. Picard says it all.

 

[The Barbarian]

Good to see the thread getting back on topic.

OK, no more troll-baiting. Where were we...?

Ah, yes. Why do Christians accept evolution? Primarily, as Pope John Paul II remarked, "truth cannot contradict truth." And Genesis plainly refutes the modern YE doctrine of "life ex nihilo."

 

[Musa80]

Pure morbid curiosity brought me back to check up on this thread and just as I thought, the TEs have come in with their "convert or conquer" routine. If you can't convince someone of your theories, just insult them.

OK, no more troll-baiting. Where were we...?

Ah, yes. Why do Christians accept evolution? Primarily, as Pope John Paul II remarked, "truth cannot contradict truth." And Genesis plainly refutes the modern YE doctrine of "life ex nihilo."

Errm before confusing the masses and asserting that the current or previous Bishop of Rome backs your pagan beliefs entirely you might want to check the catechism of YOUR own church.

God creates "out of nothing"
296 We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to create, nor is creation any sort of necessary emanation from the divine substance.144 God creates freely "out of nothing":145
If God had drawn the world from pre-existent matter, what would be so extraordinary in that? A human artisan makes from a given material whatever he wants, while God shows his power by starting from nothing to make all he wants.146 297 Scripture bears witness to faith in creation "out of nothing" as a truth full of promise and hope. Thus the mother of seven sons encourages them for martyrdom:
I do not know how you came into being in my womb. It was not I who gave you life and breath, nor I who set in order the elements within each of you. Therefore the Creator of the world, who shaped the beginning of man and devised the origin of all things, will in his mercy give life and breath back to you again, since you now forget yourselves for the sake of his laws. . . Look at the heaven and the earth and see everything that is in them, and recognize that God did not make them out of things that existed. Thus also mankind comes into being.147 298 Since God could create everything out of nothing, he can also, through the Holy Spirit, give spiritual life to sinners by creating a pure heart in them,148 and bodily life to the dead through the Resurrection. God "gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist."149 And since God was able to make light shine in darkness by his Word, he can also give the light of faith to those who do not yet know him.150

 

[Assyrian]

Pure morbid curiosity brought me back to check up on this thread and just as I thought, the TEs have come in with their "convert or conquer" routine. If you can't convince someone of your theories, just insult them.

Errm before confusing the masses and asserting that the current or previous Bishop of Rome backs your pagan beliefs entirely you might want to check the catechism of YOUR own church.

Errm indeed.

 

[Musa80]

Denying that God creates ex nihilo is a pagan belief. It is not at all an insult. It's a fact. Trust me. I've spent most of my life as a pagan and I'm well aware of where the line is and when it has been crossed.

 

[Melethiel]

But TEs DO believe that God ultimately created the universe out of nothing, unlike the pagan belief that the universe is eternal. Now, animals and humans...even Genesis doesn't state so. In Genesis, the earth produced living creatures, and man was formed from dust.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
And Genesis plainly refutes the modern YE doctrine of "life ex nihilo."

http://christianforums.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=50701919

Denying that God creates ex nihilo is a pagan belief.

Pointing out that God did not create life ex nihilo is a Christian belief. If you'll read Genesis, you'll find that Melethiel is quite right. The YE belief of "life ex nihilo" is directly refuted.

Perhaps, it would be best for those who don't accept what Genesis says to explain why. Even a cursory reading of the doctrines of the Catholic Church shows that the universe was created ex nihilo; life was not.

It is not at all an insult. It's a fact. Trust me. I've spent most of my life as a pagan and I'm well aware of where the line is and when it has been crossed.

Well, it appears you have at least one pagan belief left, if you disagree with "life from the Earth," as it says in Genesis. That's what God says.

BTW, the Eastern Orthodox Churches also agree that life was brought forth by the Earth, as God commanded, not ex nihilo.

 

[Musa80]

I'll leave the rest as it is because you're just confusing the issue to backpeddle yourself out of what you put forth.

As for this, though.

BTW, the Eastern Orthodox Churches also agree that life was brought forth by the Earth, as God commanded, not ex nihilo.

1) Your one-liners do not come anywhere near explaining Orthodox beliefs on anything. It would be best if you just stuck to your own traditions.

2) For the love of all things holy can we please knock it off with the "Eastern" Orthodox nonsense. It's Orthodox, plain and simple.

 

[The Barbarian]

I'll leave the rest as it is because you're just confusing the issue to backpeddle yourself out of what you put forth.

No. I'll be charitable and assume you confused "life ex nihilo" with "universe ex nihilo." Having realized Genesis permits the latter, but not the former, you're trying to find a way out.

Barbarian observes:
BTW, the Eastern Orthodox Churches also agree that life was brought forth by the Earth, as God commanded, not ex nihilo.

1) Your one-liners do not come anywhere near explaining Orthodox beliefs on anything.

A Greek Orthodox priest explained that point to me. Perhaps he knows more about the faith than you do?

It would be best if you just stuck to your own traditions.

Check with your priest. You'll find that it's true.

2) For the love of all things holy can we please knock it off with the "Eastern" Orthodox nonsense. It's Orthodox, plain and simple.

I guess "Eastern Rite" would work. "Orthodox" has another meaning in religion, which applies to your tradition as well as to various others.

 

[ArcticFox]

OK, no more troll-baiting. Where were we...?

Alright, hit and run style .

I'll let you run Barbarian. It fits you.

 

[sfs]

Denying that God creates ex nihilo is a pagan belief. It is not at all an insult. It's a fact. Trust me. I've spent most of my life as a pagan and I'm well aware of where the line is and when it has been crossed.

I've never encountered someone who accepts theistic evolution and who also denies ex nihilo creation . . . so what's your point?

 

[The Barbarian]

I've never encountered someone who accepts theistic evolution and who also denies ex nihilo creation . . . so what's your point?

He's confusing ex nihilo creation of the universe with the fact that living things were not created ex nihilo.

St. Augustine came up with a remarkably perceptive understanding in that he thought that the universe was created in an instant, but that all other things unfolded over time from that initial creation, a process that was not six literal days.

From the first, Christians understood creation in a way that accords very well with what science has discovered about the world.