Do we need to be baptized in order to be saved ?

[The Liturgist]

Any church that has a requirement of membership associated with water immersion I tend to group up under the traditionalist banner

Not all of the churches I just spoke about have such a requirement.

 

[Lukaris]

I was just wondering does a person need to be baptized in water in order to be saved ?

Yes, if we can be baptized in our lifetime and live by faith it is best. If a person confesses the risen Lord ( Romans 10:9-13 etc.)but is unable to be baptized in this life, I believe God will provide to those He knows ( John 3:5-8 etc.).

 

[The Liturgist]

When a church overlooks this stated salvation by faith and instead considers salvation another way, ie through water immersion, I consider that church a traditional church, since they obviously want to follow a church tradition instead of scripture.

The basis for asserting that baptism is the normal way of receiving converts into the Church is a matter of Scripture, not tradition.

What is more, we have not said that people who have not been baptized are damned, but rather, we are saying baptism is an important and desirable part of the normal process of salvation. I am very thankful I was baptized as an infant. I believe this baptism protected me in the course of my childhood and facilitated the extremely dynamic faith that I had at the time.

However, church tradition is authoritative according to Scripture, for example 1 Corinthians 11:2. This is why Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Wesley and other eminent Protestant reformers accepted its importance.

 

[ARBITER01]

The basis for asserting that baptism is the normal way of receiving converts into the Church is a matter of Scripture, not tradition.

That's where we run into problems.

We don't have/create a contradiction in scripture. There's only one way of salvation from Jesus. Let's look at Romans again,...


Rom 10:9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
Rom 10:10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


I have not found any section of scripture that remotely states that "water immersion is made unto salvation."

Again, we don't have a contradiction in scripture, but one of us can certainly misunderstand scripture, or accept an outright lie.

 

[concretecamper]

Yes, if we can be baptized in our lifetime and live by faith it is best. If a person confesses the risen Lord ( Romans 10:9-13 etc.)but is unable to be baptized in this life, I believe God will provide to those He knows ( John 3:5-8 etc.).

An extremely rare exception.

 

[Lukaris]

We should be baptized with water of course ( Acts 8:26-50, Acts 10:44-48 etc). John the Baptist spoke of a baptism by fire but the Lord reaffirmed water baptism ( Matthew 3:11-17). I believe the more mysterious baptism for those who couldn’t be baptized in this life is probably intense but not in a burning, painful sense.

 

[Apple Sky]

I am very thankful I was baptized as an infant. I believe this baptism protected me in the course of my childhood and facilitated the extremely dynamic faith that I had at the time.

So was I & was bought up church of England, all my life I have felt that Jesus was looking over me & he has also taught me some valuable lessons especially when I was bad.

 

[The Liturgist]

So was I & was bought up church of England, all my life I have felt that Jesus was looking over me & he has also taught me some valuable lessons especially when I was bad.

Well since you were christened as an infant in the C of E, you have been baptized according to most traditional denominations.

There is a particularly beautiful Eastern Orthodox hymn sung on the feast of the Baptism of our Lord:

As many as have been baptized in Christ have put on Christ, alleluia!

 

[Valletta]

I was just wondering does a person need to be baptized in water in order to be saved ?

The normal way a person is initially saved is through the sacrament of Baptism. God, of course, is not limited in any way, and there is great hope for those who were never baptized.

 

[Guojing]

There's only one way of salvation from Jesus. Let's look at Romans again,...

I have not found any section of scripture that remotely states that "water immersion is made unto salvation."

Again, we don't have a contradiction in scripture, but one of us can certainly misunderstand scripture, or accept an outright lie.

Why not consider Jesus's statement in Mark 16:16, out of curiosity?

 

[Valletta]

Why not consider Jesus's statement in Mark 16:16, out of curiosity?

It means if you know Jesus and yet reject Him you will not go to Heaven.

 

[Guojing]

It means if you know Jesus and yet reject Him you will not go to Heaven.

So going by how that statement uses the connecting word and, do you think Jesus is saying water baptism is necessary for salvation?

 

[Valletta]

So going by how that statement uses the connecting word and, do you think Jesus is saying water baptism is necessary for salvation?

My understanding is based upon the entire Word of God. Baptism (and water is the normal sign of the sacrament, there are others) is the way we are brought to Jesus and how Christians are saved.

 

[rturner76]

The salvation of the Thief on the cross seems to answer that question when Yashuah told him he would be in Paradise with Him on that day.

that is because he joined Christ'st living church

 

[th1bill]

that is because he joined Christ'st living church

Sorry, but this is relative, how.

 

[rturner76]

Sorry, but this is relative, how.

Please tell me, how in relative or not. I was under the impression that Christ said "I tell you that you will be with me in paradise." It seemed to be pretty cut and dried under Jesus' commandment in that moment. It seemed that the their was assured his place in heaven next to Christ.

 

[Guojing]

My understanding is based upon the entire Word of God. Baptism (and water is the normal sign of the sacrament, there are others) is the way we are brought to Jesus and how Christians are saved.

When you say "Baptism ... and how Christians are saved", isn't that also saying water baptism is necessary for salvation?

That is what the connecting word "and" means, correct?

 

[Valletta]

When you say "Baptism ... and how Christians are saved", isn't that also saying water baptism is necessary for salvation?

That is what the connecting word "and" means, correct?

God saves us through Baptism, according to the Word of God that is how we as Christians are saved. That does not preclude God from saving those who are not baptized.

 

[Guojing]

That does not preclude God from saving those who are not baptized.

So if you believe God can still save those who are not baptized, that means you also believe it isn't necessary for salvation.

Alright then.

But back to my original point, under the gospel of the kingdom, water baptism is necessary for salvation (Mark 16:16)

 

[Valletta]

So if you believe God can still save those who are not baptized, that means you also believe it isn't necessary for salvation.

Alright then.

But back to my original point, under the gospel of the kingdom, water baptism is necessary for salvation (Mark 16:16)

Baptism is necessary for those who have heard the Gospel and believe. Do not reject it. That doesn't mean God is hindered in any way from saving others. Water is the sign of the sacrament. I would like to make a correction and clarification. There are other ways to receive baptism, such as a baptism of desire or baptism of blood, where one receives the same fruits of the sacrament but are not the sacrament.