Do Sabbath Keepers KEEP the Sabbath?

[Saint Steven]

Again--the 7th day was given at creation--long before any Jew.

There is no evidence that any human kept the Sabbath before it was given to the Israelites alone in Exodus chapter sixteen.

Here are the facts:

Nowhere before Exodus chapter 16
do we find any biblical evidence of any human:
- observing the sabbath.
- preparing for the sabbath.
- adjusting their plans to account for the sabbath.
- teaching anyone else to observe the sabbath.
- extolling the virtues of the sabbath.
- being criticized for not observing the sabbath.

Please dispute these facts with concrete biblical evidence.

 

[Saint Steven]

Cain wanted to worship God his way--not according to what God said. All this was long before Moses--

What did God say? (to Cain)

According to the Apostle Paul there is a difference between "the law", "God’s law", and "Christ’s law". You are lumping all of that under "the law" (of Moses).

1 Corinthians 9:20-22
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

 

[mmksparbud]

There is no evidence that any human kept the Sabbath before it was given to the Israelites alone in Exodus chapter sixteen.

Here are the facts:

Nowhere before Exodus chapter 16
do we find any biblical evidence of any human:
- observing the sabbath.
- preparing for the sabbath.
- adjusting their plans to account for the sabbath.
- teaching anyone else to observe the sabbath.
- extolling the virtues of the sabbath.
- being criticized for not observing the sabbath.

Please dispute these facts with concrete biblical evidence.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Again--God doesn't do purposeless--unnecessary things. He sanctified this day at creation. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man--man is not the Jews only and began with Adam and Eve. This has already been said. Not every word spoken by God has been written down. Things were passed down orally--there was no need for the written word till much later after the flood. You are free to believe whatever you want.

 

[mmksparbud]

What did God say? (to Cain)

According to the Apostle Paul there is a difference between "the law", "God’s law", and "Christ’s law". You are lumping all of that under "the law" (of Moses).

1 Corinthians 9:20-22
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

No I am not. The ceremonial laws--the laws written down by Moses on parchment (or leather) were kept outside the ark--those were the temporary ones as Jesus would fulfill those as the Sacrificial Lamb. That is what Hebrews is all about. The moral law--God's law-- are the 10 commandments and are eternal. They are a description of the very character of God. They were written by God on stone and kept inside the ark and still are in the heavenly ark --and the Sabbath will be kept in the New Jerusalem and you have already been given all this.

 

[Saint Steven]

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Again--God doesn't do purposeless--unnecessary things. He sanctified this day at creation. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man--man is not the Jews only and began with Adam and Eve. This has already been said. Not every word spoken by God has been written down. Things were passed down orally--there was no need for the written word till much later after the flood. You are free to believe whatever you want.

No proof.
Just as I suspected.
Creation doesn't point to the Sabbath.
The Sabbath points to creation.

Moses wrote the Pentateuch AFTER the Sabbath had been introduced in Ex.16.
Nothing about "remembering" the Sabbath in that chapter.

Here are the facts:

Nowhere before Exodus chapter 16
do we find any biblical evidence of any human:
- observing the sabbath.
- preparing for the sabbath.
- adjusting their plans to account for the sabbath.
- teaching anyone else to observe the sabbath.
- extolling the virtues of the sabbath.
- being criticized for not observing the sabbath.

Please dispute these facts with concrete biblical evidence.

 

[Saint Steven]

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[mmksparbud]

No proof.
Just as I suspected.
Creation doesn't point to the Sabbath.
The Sabbath points to creation.

Moses wrote the Pentateuch AFTER the Sabbath had been introduced in Ex.16.
Nothing about "remembering" the Sabbath in that chapter.

Here are the facts:

Nowhere before Exodus chapter 16
do we find any biblical evidence of any human:
- observing the sabbath.
- preparing for the sabbath.
- adjusting their plans to account for the sabbath.
- teaching anyone else to observe the sabbath.
- extolling the virtues of the sabbath.
- being criticized for not observing the sabbath.

Please dispute these facts with concrete biblical evidence.

If you can not figure out what Genesis 2 means--then by all means, continue with your own opinion. At least you are understanding that the Sabbath points to creation and to God as the creator.
Ex 16 is plainly stating that manna did not fall on the Sabbath.

 

[Saint Steven]

No I am not. The ceremonial laws--the laws written down by Moses on parchment (or leather) were kept outside the ark--those were the temporary ones as Jesus would fulfill those as the Sacrificial Lamb. That is what Hebrews is all about. The moral law--God's law-- are the 10 commandments and are eternal. They are a description of the very character of God. They were written by God on stone and kept inside the ark and still are in the heavenly ark --and the Sabbath will be kept in the New Jerusalem and you have already been given all this.

Are you claiming that the ceremonial laws are not the law from God?

 

[Saint Steven]

If you can not figure out what Genesis 2 means--then by all means, continue with your own opinion. At least you are understanding that the Sabbath points to creation and to God as the creator.
Ex 16 is plainly stating that manna did not fall on the Sabbath.

If I cannot figure out what Genesis two means? ??? I know full well what it means. You have failed to prove your claim that the Sabbath was initiated for humankind in Genesis two. Where's the evidence?

Here are the facts:

Nowhere before Exodus chapter 16
do we find any biblical evidence of any human:
- observing the sabbath.
- preparing for the sabbath.
- adjusting their plans to account for the sabbath.
- teaching anyone else to observe the sabbath.
- extolling the virtues of the sabbath.
- being criticized for not observing the sabbath.

Please dispute these facts with concrete biblical evidence.

 

[mmksparbud]

Are you claiming that the ceremonial laws are not the law from God?

What I said is very clear. As the scriptures state--the Laws that Moses wrote were spoken to him by God--the 10 commandments are the only ones that God Himself wrote and both are treated differently--the 10 were kept in the ark the ceremonial laws were kept outside the ark.

 

[mmksparbud]

If I cannot figure out what Genesis two means? ??? I know full well what it means. You have failed to prove your claim that the Sabbath was initiated for humankind in Genesis two. Where's the evidence?

Here are the facts:

Nowhere before Exodus chapter 16
do we find any biblical evidence of any human:
- observing the sabbath.
- preparing for the sabbath.
- adjusting their plans to account for the sabbath.
- teaching anyone else to observe the sabbath.
- extolling the virtues of the sabbath.
- being criticized for not observing the sabbath.

Please dispute these facts with concrete biblical evidence.

If you say so. If you want to believe that God made a day holy for no one but Himself but then states that the day was made for man---then go right ahead and think so. You will never have to answer to any human for your believes.

 

[Saint Steven]

If you say so. If you want to believe that God made a day holy for no one but Himself but then states that the day was made for man---then go right ahead and think so. You will never have to answer to any human for your believes.

Jesus said it best.
What is the most basic violation of the Sabbath? (work)

John 5:16-18
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[Saint Steven]

If you say so. If you want to believe that God made a day holy for no one but Himself but then states that the day was made for man---then go right ahead and think so.

What do you think Jesus meant when he said man was not made for the Sabbath?

Mark 2:27
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

 

[mmksparbud]

What do you think Jesus meant when he said man was not made for the Sabbath?

Mark 2:27
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

The human body and mind needs the rest. We are to use that time to spend with Him. That does not exclude helping others, taking care of the sick and animals. Jesus never broke the Sabbath as written by God--He broke the rules the Rabies imposed.

 

[Saint Steven]

The human body and mind needs the rest. We are to use that time to spend with Him. That does not exclude helping others, taking care of the sick and animals. Jesus never broke the Sabbath as written by God--He broke the rules the Rabies imposed.

The eyewitnesses seemed to have a different view.

John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

 

[mmksparbud]

The eyewitnesses seemed to have a different view.

John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

'That proves my point. He went against the Rabies rules--not God's. Had He broken one commandment----He couldn't have been the Sacrificial Lamb, it had to be spotless=----sinless. He was a sinner in the eyes of the Pharisees, not to God.

 

[sparow]

Do you walk to church? Did you make your bed when you got up? Turn on any lights? Do you travel far to church that requires driving your car and buying gas? Do you eat pre-prepared cold sandwiches and do not use your stove? Do you do the dishes after meals?

God doesn't desire legalism, keeping the Sabbath is simply following the WAY God has given; nobody is perfect regardless of what they do, so associated with the commandments and salvation are rewards and stripes for those who are saved.

 

[Saint Steven]

'That proves my point. He went against the Rabies rules--not God's. Had He broken one commandment----He couldn't have been the Sacrificial Lamb, it had to be spotless=----sinless. He was a sinner in the eyes of the Pharisees, not to God.

Maybe they needed "rabies" shots. lol (sp=rabbis)

Right. It was not a sin for him. But how is that possible?
Only because he was deconstructing the law.
It actually started with John the Baptist.

Matthew 11:13
For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

Luke 16:16
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John.
Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached,
and everyone is forcing their way into it.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[FreeinChrist]

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