Do Non-believers go to Hell 2

[bobhope]

Many unbelievers have no guilt of anything. This is even more true of cults. (islam, Satanism, ect..)

You forgot Christianity.

 

[Mailman Dan]

You forgot Christianity.

There are many people who have never felt guilt for sin. Its these that don't truely understand the "good news" because they don't understand the "bad news" first.


People often don’t feel guilty when they sin because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can sin without interruption. The way to resurrect a deadened conscience is to go through each of the Ten Commandments, reminding the person that they know that it’s wrong to lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. Always preach the Law along with future punishment, then pray that the Holy Spirit will come upon them and cause them to be convicted of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come.


But remember what Paul said,. He stated that he was a wretched man, and did things he did not want to do. He stated he knew his sin because of the law, and was completely dependent on Jesus Christ as payment for sin. This understanding allows a believer to understand he is no better than anyone else, and seeing himself in his true light, makes him understand his own "good" won't get him into heaven.

To warn of hell is fearful, but it is absolutely legitimate, because the Bible says that it is a fearful thing for a sinner to fall into the hands of the living God.


Dan~~~>is not any better of a person than any non-Christian

 

[Cleany]

"To warn of hell is fearful, but it is absolutely legitimate, because the Bible says that it is a fearful thing for a sinner to fall into the hands of the living God."

or fundementalists

 

[Martinez]

A f

 

[Martinez]

A fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God?

but I thought the fearful thing was to go to and everlasting Hell, which is eternal separation from God isn't it?


Martinez thinks He smells another self contradiction from another crazy fundamentalist!!!!!

 

[Soul Searcher]

People often don’t feel guilty when they sin because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can sin without interruption.

I like this part but I think you slightly misworded it should read more like.

People often don’t feel guilty when they say we all deserve to burn in hell because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can preach, support and defend eternal hell fire without hesitation.

 

[Martinez]

I like this part but I think you slightly misworded it should read more like.

People often don’t feel guilty when they say we all deserve to burn in hell because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can preach, support and defend eternal hell fire without hesitation.

I think they need to replace the batteries in their something else detectors!!!!!

 

[Cleany]

lol

 

[Soul Searcher]

I think they need to replace the batteries in their something else detectors!!!!!

Lol , I thought I smelled something

 

[KCDAD]

Yeah when read literally it contradicts almost every religous teaching, including the ones who like to preach to us.

Right on. Gotta remember it was written people who have their own agendas and biases and weaknesses. Be critical and see the truth in it, don't just soak it in like a sponge. God gave you a brain... use it.

 

[bobhope]

There are many people who have never felt guilt for sin. Its these that don't truely understand the "good news" because they don't understand the "bad news" first.


People often don’t feel guilty when they sin because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can sin without interruption. The way to resurrect a deadened conscience is to go through each of the Ten Commandments, reminding the person that they know that it’s wrong to lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. Always preach the Law along with future punishment, then pray that the Holy Spirit will come upon them and cause them to be convicted of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come.


But remember what Paul said,. He stated that he was a wretched man, and did things he did not want to do. He stated he knew his sin because of the law, and was completely dependent on Jesus Christ as payment for sin. This understanding allows a believer to understand he is no better than anyone else, and seeing himself in his true light, makes him understand his own "good" won't get him into heaven.

To warn of hell is fearful, but it is absolutely legitimate, because the Bible says that it is a fearful thing for a sinner to fall into the hands of the living God.


Dan~~~>is not any better of a person than any non-Christian

Uh, I'm glad you don't consider yourself better than anyone else. For the record, I, as a non-Christian, don't think I'm better than Christians, either. Many of my relatives are Christian. However, what does the rest of your post have anything to do with the fact that Christianity is a cult, as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary?

 

[AngelusSax]

Well if we want to define Christianity as a cult, we can. I'll take the label and wear it proudly, as the one true "cult".

Of course, I tend to use normal-people-definition of cult instead of the the AHD definition, which seems to basically say anything other than the wonderful world of atheism is a cult.

 

[bobhope]

Well if we want to define Christianity as a cult, we can. I'll take the label and wear it proudly, as the one true "cult".

Of course, I tend to use normal-people-definition of cult instead of the the AHD definition, which seems to basically say anything other than the wonderful world of atheism is a cult.

Oh, sorry, I hadn't realized "normal people" only use English words in ways that the dictionary does not.

If you'd prefer, let us look at the definition from The University of Princeton's WordNet:
"adherents of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices."

Oh, but they must be lying too? How about Merriam-Webster?
"formal religious veneration" or "a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents"

Yeah, all these guys just have the English language wrong, don't they!

 

[Soul Searcher]

Oh, sorry, I hadn't realized "normal people" only use English words in ways that the dictionary does not.

If you'd prefer, let us look at the definition from The University of Princeton's WordNet:
"adherents of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices."

I guess that means that Universalism is not a cult then as it is all inclusive

 

[KCDAD]

"formal religious veneration" or "a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents"

Not withstanding your dictionary quotations, while it is true that Christianity did start out as a Jewish cult, it can hardly be defined as such now, as "cult" connotates outside the mainstream.
SInce it is the largest religion in the world, it must be seen as a legitimate religion in its own right and made up of cults and demonations of differing viewpoints.

 

[bobhope]

Not withstanding your dictionary quotations, while it is true that Christianity did start out as a Jewish cult, it can hardly be defined as such now, as "cult" connotates outside the mainstream.
SInce it is the largest religion in the world, it must be seen as a legitimate religion in its own right and made up of cults and demonations of differing viewpoints.

While it may be true that cult connotates such a meaning, it is not found until the third definition or later according to most dictionaries, if at all.

Also, I like your Freudian slip, that it's "made up of cults and demonations."

Boy, I'm sure glad to hear that. I'll stay away from that religion. Ha.

 

[AngelusSax]

Oh, sorry, I hadn't realized "normal people" only use English words in ways that the dictionary does not.

It happens, especially with the word "cult," which is used, in mainstream speech, to denote a negative sect.

I won't call Christianity a cult, but you're more than free to do so.

 

[bobhope]

It happens, especially with the word "cult," which is used, in mainstream speech, to denote a negative sect.

I won't call Christianity a cult, but you're more than free to do so.

I think most organized religions are cults, but you're right, that's my prerogative. You are also right in saying what you do about mainstream use of the word. However, the reason I am being so pedantic about it is that words such as "Atheist" also have very negative connotations attached to them. I'm just trying to show it goes both ways. Obviously you understand, so it's not directed at you.

 

[Becky153]

It happens, especially with the word "cult," which is used, in mainstream speech, to denote a negative sect.

I won't call Christianity a cult, but you're more than free to do so.

A cult is someone who believes that Jesus wasn't God. Christianity is not a cult.

 

[bobhope]

A cult is someone who believes that Jesus wasn't God. Christianity is not a cult.

Oh boy. Did you get that definition from the Dictionary of Christ?

Seriously though, Christianity is a cult. Read my post again. You're free to call me an "Atheist," which has just as negative of a connotation as "cult," if not more so.

Case closed.