Skip Sampson
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Many thanks for your concern, but that is already the focus of my ministry. Cordially, Skip.light upon light said:
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Many thanks for your concern, but that is already the focus of my ministry. Cordially, Skip.light upon light said:I would strongly urge you find a different kind of ministry focused on the love of Christ.
Freemasonry is a positive danger to any Christian because it offers a salvation-by-works philosophy covered with a thin Biblical veneer. To become a 'good' Mason is to allow it to dilute Christianity with a universalist doctrine that effectively neutralizes a man's Christian witness.awitch said:Just out of curiosity, can you expand on those dangers?
Freemasonry is a positive danger to any Christian because it offers a salvation-by-works philosophy covered with a thin Biblical veneer. To become a 'good' Mason is to allow it to dilute Christianity with a universalist doctrine that effectively neutralizes a man's Christian witness.
Here's your chance, Simpleman. I've asked you to back it up with the facts and you refused to do so. Start a thread somewhere in this forum and state your case.light upon light said:I googled this and can't find anything about it. What is it?
Freemasonry is a positive danger to any Christian because it offers a salvation-by-works philosophy covered with a thin Biblical veneer. To become a 'good' Mason is to allow it to dilute Christianity with a universalist doctrine that effectively neutralizes a man's Christian witness.
As per circuitrider, an actual member, it is to establish a relationship with the fraternity members. Belief in a god is a requirement for membership. Again, this is just like the Elks, of which I am a former member.To join Freemasonry is to establish a partnership with god, whoever that might be, under Masonic auspices.
The initiation ritual in the Elks was a dopey and over elaborate tradition. I've seen the Masonic ritual and, no offense to the Masons, but it seems the same.To undergo the ritual is to be transformed in the mental, moral and spiritual sense into something different.
I propose that's because there isn't one.Just what spirit does the transforming is never discussed, at least in Lodge degrees.
Does your god not approve of a healthy, moral mind?To become a Freemason is to build out of your body a spiritual temple by making it morally and mentally spotless, meaning that the Masonic deity make itself at home in such a temple regardless of your religious beliefs, or even if you have any.
I still don't see what the dangerous part is if they are doing good deeds, living moral lives, and being healthy.The above is clearly taught in Masonic ritual, and is part of the reason I warned of the real danger to any Christian. Cordially, Skip.
That would depend on whether or not your question is phrased in the context of salvation. One would hope everyone, even atheists, would take pride in leaving this world a better place. We see groups pushing for that as good in the here and now, and their actions, if honest, worthy and noble. But on the personal level, such actions do not get one into heaven, according to Biblical Christianity. We believe they are the fruit of the believer, outward examples of an inward change. But works themselves do not save anyone. Our atheist can do all the good work he wants to, but is still lost.Jane_the_Bane said:Just so we're clear: Are you saying that a world view that encourages people to be the best person they can be and leave the world a better place than you found it is a bad thing?
I agree with the first half, which is what God did in sending his son Jesus to atone for all mankind's sins, and to provide a means to return to God after death. The second half I do object to, as it is disputed by the Bible. God, as powerful as he is, cannot force anyone to believe in him. He can certainly affect one's life in such a way as to lead to that goal, but it is up to the individual to make a choice. It is the free will God has given us, and he limited himself when he gave it to us.Furthermore, do you actually object to the notion that a benevolent deity will seek to save everybody from a terrible fate, and will succeed in that effort due to its divinity?
You have every right to any personal opinion you wish to state, but I'd say that Christianity has stood on its own for quite some time.Personally, I'd hold that any ideology that needs to threaten non-adherents (or more precisely: potentially doubting adherents) with notions of a cosmic death camp especially reserved for unbelievers and other "evil" non-conformists is a world view that apparently cannot stand on its own.
Freemasonry is a positive danger to any Christian because it offers a salvation-by-works philosophy covered with a thin Biblical veneer.
To become a Freemason is to build out of your body a spiritual temple by making it morally and mentally spotless, meaning that the Masonic deity make itself at home in such a temple regardless of your religious beliefs, or even if you have any.
To live a life spotless moral conduct is to make you acceptable to god, whoever that is, and pretty much guarantees you entrance into heaven at your death.
No, and I can't imagine why you would reached such a strange conclusion.smaneck said:Sounds like you believe in more than one god.
It is indeed, but you have fallen for the bait & switch that Freemasonry has used. I noted before that Freemasonry covers a rotten viewpoint with a thin veneer of Biblical references, and this is a perfect case of just that view.But I think the idea of the body being a spiritual temple is biblical. You know 1 Corinthians 3:16, etc.
The Masonic interpretation completely distorts the meaning of the verse. Had you studied them, you'd have seen that the 'ye' is plural, while 'you' is singular. What it actually says is that the Body of Christ, or the totality of Christians, collectively, is the temple of God, and that each individual believer has the indwelling Spirit. Masonry totally distorts this by claiming that each Mason, regardless of belief structure, is a temple of God, in whom God might come and dwell if he is good enough, which the verses do not indicate. Thus, Masonry not only misinterprets the verses, but misapplies them to non-Christians. Such distortions of the Bible are common among Masonic ritual and practice, and a sign of how little it is regarded among Masons.Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (KJV)
Here's one of the more obvious proofs:Where does it say that?
Notice that the SC ritual (AR) says that 'purity of life' is necessary for salvation, but it's training materials (LSME) note that the 'purity' mentioned is 'clean thinking and clean living,' and obedience to the laws of the GL, all of which supports the salvation-by-works contention. My view is that a GL's training material is the real source of what a GL actually teaches, as this section shows. Cordially, Skip.The lamb has in all ages been deemed an emblem of innocence; by the lambskin, the Mason is, therefore, reminded of that purity of life and conduct which is so essentially necessary to his gaining admission into the celestial Lodge above, where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides. (SC GL, Ahiman Rezon, 2010, pg. 86)
The Apron is at once an emblem of purity and the badge of a Mason. By purity is meant clean thinking and clean living, a loyal obedience to the laws of the Craft and sincere good will to the brethren; the badge of a Mason signifies that Masons are workers and builders, not drones and destructionists. (SC GL, The LSME for SC Lodges, 2006, pg. 31)
Here's your chance, Simpleman. I've asked you to back it up with the facts and you refused to do so. Start a thread somewhere in this forum and state your case.
This will be a good lesson about the veracity of Masons on this forum. Cordially, Skip.
As a matter of fact, I wasn't.Simpleman25 said:Aren't you the person that posted about how awful masons were concerning the arrest made Michigan?
Then post the link so all here can review it. I'm betting you won't, mainly because you can't. Cordially, Skip.I've posted the evidence that you are a puppet for your cult, as well as a member on more than one occasion.
As a matter of fact, I wasn't.
Then post the link so all here can review it. I'm betting you won't, mainly because you can't. Cordially, Skip.
Gee, what a surprise. Cordially, Skip.Simpleman25 said:Not doing it.
If there is a ritual and a liturgy, then that is a religión.
In fact the mere prescence of an altar means religión.
Here are some facts to consider:Zstar said:Altar and religion seems synonymous...
Maybe just a fraternity group identifying with God from their native beliefs of God from their churches?
No. Cordially, Skip.You think they have secret knowledge?
A key masonic symbol is the apron they wear. As I've noted elsewhere, that apron is presented as a symbol of the moral and mental purity required to get into heaven. It's part of their salvation-by-works philosophy. In some jurisdictions, that purity is defined as adherence to Masonic laws and rules, which is an interesting thing to say.awitch said:Can you cite Freemason material stating such requirements for "salvation"?
They are not, as the logical fruits of salvation by faith in Jesus. But salvation by works is expressly rejected by the Bible; see Ephesian 2:8 - 10 for the discussion. See also John 3:16.I have never heard that performing good deeds is problematic to Christians before.
Yes, but any god will do. If you trust in Satan as your god, you have met the requirement.Belief in a god is a requirement for membership.
I would not agree with you there. Properly done, the Masonic ritual is a moving experience.The initiation ritual in the Elks was a dopey and over elaborate tradition. I've seen the Masonic ritual and, no offense to the Masons, but it seems the same.
I think there is, as do many Masons. Mason often refer to Freemasonry as an initiatic group, and talk about the spirit or energy that transforms its members into worthy Masons. Many of these men are deadly serious about that transformation and not afraid to talk about it. Me, I think the spirit behind the ritual is demonic in nature.I propose that's because there isn't one.
Yes, but not as a means of salvation. Were it so, the thief on the cross would not now be in heaven. God accepts us as we are when we come to him via Jesus. If we let him, he'll shape us into the tool he requires us to be. One does not need Freemasonry to make him into a better man; God as already done that by his indwelling spirit.Does your god not approve of a healthy, moral mind?
It is because it rejects Jesus as the only means of salvation. It uses Bible verses by distorting them and it turns the average man into a cross between a peacock and a parrot. Aside from that, .... Cordially, Skip.I still don't see what the dangerous part is if they are doing good deeds, living moral lives, and being healthy.
What secrecy? You can find all the rituals online.Some of the rituals are quite strange, and the secrecy is incredible. It makes one wonder what they are protecting or afraid-of to go to those lengths.
No, and I can't imagine why you would reached such a strange conclusion.
The Masonic interpretation completely distorts the meaning of the verse. Had you studied them, you'd have seen that the 'ye' is plural, while 'you' is singular.
What it actually says is that the Body of Christ, or the totality of Christians, collectively, is the temple of God, and that each individual believer has the indwelling Spirit.
Masonry totally distorts this
by claiming that each Mason, regardless of belief structure, is a temple of God, in whom God might come and dwell
Here's one of the more obvious proofs:Notice that the SC ritual (AR) says that 'purity of life' is necessary for salvation, but it's training materials (LSME) note that the 'purity' mentioned is 'clean thinking and clean living,' and obedience to the laws of the GL, all of which supports the salvation-by-works contention.
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