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Do creationists not know their own Bibles?

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ANYONE: My apologies. I got my Francis fellows mixed up. It was not Francis Collins but the expert Francis Crick, who was much involved in the discovery of DNA, who went along with Directed Panspermia.

Of Bacteria and Men: Francis Crick and Directed Panspermia.

That truly is all I have to say. Only wanted to be accurate.
 
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Directed Panspermia is not a theory it is a hypothesis for which little if any evidence has yet been presented. On the other hand Punctuated Equilibrium has sufficient evidence to be regarded as a theory. Keep in mind that theories are provisional. There is no such thing as "proof" in science. Darwin's other theory was shot down pretty darn quickly.
Sigh. One more post. Yes there is such a thing as "proof" in science. A paternity test can give proof, airplane pilots want proof that their vehicles will work and get it, and there can be MRI scans that give proof of this and that. The list of proofs in science is endless. How would you think a policeman would react if his radar showed you were over the speed limit and you told him "There is no such thing as proof in science, like the science in your radar equipment." Not to mention what a judge would think.

We all need time to learn real science and real logic and we are always having illogic and pseudo science thrown at us. Nothing personal, I know you are trying to be helpful, but a statement like that there is no such thing as proof in science is why I say people keep acting like they understand science, but really are having problems even with the basics. That is how evolution is accepted so easily.

"Keep in mind that theories are provisional." Gee, I'm so glad you bothered to tell that to this presumed to ignert fundie. Again, I know you mean well, but, again, sigh.

No, P.E. has no evidence. It says things, by golly, just happened so fast that we don't have the evidence for evolution that we need. You can't prove a negative.

You seem like a nice sort. If you are ever interested in taking a good hard look outside the box, I suggest Crevo Rants first, maybe starting with the very funny one called SEX.

Best wishes and bye.
 
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Sigh. One more post. Yes there is such a thing as "proof" in science. A paternity test can give proof, airplane pilots want proof that their vehicles will work and get it, and there can be MRI scans that give proof of this and that. The list of proofs in science is endless. How would you think a policeman would react if his radar showed you were over the speed limit and you told him "There is no such thing as proof in science, like the science in your radar equipment." Not to mention what a judge would think.

I can hardly believe that I have to explain this. A theory deals with an attempt to explain why things happen. You are talking about the simple collection of data but even in that every scientific test has its carefully calculated margin of error.
 
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Sigh. One more post. Yes there is such a thing as "proof" in science. A paternity test can give proof, airplane pilots want proof that their vehicles will work and get it, and there can be MRI scans that give proof of this and that. The list of proofs in science is endless. How would you think a policeman would react if his radar showed you were over the speed limit and you told him "There is no such thing as proof in science, like the science in your radar equipment." Not to mention what a judge would think.

We all need time to learn real science and real logic and we are always having illogic and pseudo science thrown at us. Nothing personal, I know you are trying to be helpful, but a statement like that there is no such thing as proof in science is why I say people keep acting like they understand science, but really are having problems even with the basics. That is how evolution is accepted so easily.

"Keep in mind that theories are provisional." Gee, I'm so glad you bothered to tell that to this presumed to ignert fundie. Again, I know you mean well, but, again, sigh.

No, P.E. has no evidence. It says things, by golly, just happened so fast that we don't have the evidence for evolution that we need. You can't prove a negative.

You seem like a nice sort. If you are ever interested in taking a good hard look outside the box, I suggest Crevo Rants first, maybe starting with the very funny one called SEX.

Best wishes and bye.
Yes, and that same science can "prove" that there never was a Noah's Ark. And that evolution is a fact. Inconsistency is not a winning debate technique.

As I said before, there is a reason that I offer to go over the basics of science with creationists and a good reason that they run away. Understanding the basics means that they can no longer make their false claims without openly lying. Creationists seem to know this and think that if they do not really know that they are wrong that they are not lying. It is a strange psychology.
 
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but a statement like that there is no such thing as proof in science is why I say people keep acting like they understand science, but really are having problems even with the basics.

There is no proof in science though. At least not in the strict sense of absolute proof such as in mathematics or logic. Everything in science is provisional.

As an example, you say "A paternity test can give proof". A paternity test doesn't give absolute proof. It gives a degree of confidence. Paternity tests are not 100% foolproof. It's possible to get false negatives/positives.

Now sometimes the word "proof" gets tossed around with respect to repeated observations. But it's generally understood that everything in science is subject to falsification; unfalsifiable propositions don't belong in science.

No, P.E. has no evidence. It says things, by golly, just happened so fast that we don't have the evidence for evolution that we need. You can't prove a negative.

That's not what Punctuated Equilibrium says. Your characterization of it is a strawman. Rather, "Punk Eek" was based on observation of specific patterns of evolutionary change. Those patterns are the evidence for the mode and tempo of evolution.

If you read the original paper on it, there are specific observational examples that are used to support their ideas: http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/classictexts/eldredge.pdf

(And yes, I know you said you're not reading my posts. But if you're going to continue to post falsehoods, I'm going to keep correcting them. At least other posters or lurkers can benefit.)
 
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Yes, and that same science can "prove" that there never was a Noah's Ark.
I think logic applied to an initial assumption which (objectively) 'tests out', could be construed as 'proof' in a debate.

IMO, its important to keep science, logic and debates well distinguished in discussions about science and religion though.
 
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... Now sometimes the word "proof" gets tossed around with respect to repeated observations. But it's generally understood that everything in science is subject to falsification; unfalsifiable propositions don't belong in science.
Falsifiability certainly comes into the philosophy of Science .. ie: when it was heavily influenced by Popper's Realism .. but such philosophies can be swapped out for others .. yet the scientific process remains intact when the influence those philosophies have, is distilled and exposed.
 
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Oh darn, at that time Egypt was in control of the region. All the way up to Syria, Israel included:

15th century BC - Wikipedia

History refutes at least your version of the Exodus.

You are claiming that Moses left Egypt and then ended back up in an area under Egyptian control.
 
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You are claiming that Moses left Egypt and then ended back up in an area under Egyptian control.
Ya ... Egypt should have sent their army after him, shouldn't have they?

Oh ... wait!
 
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