Do Aliens Exist?

[JohnEmmett]

Remember, even if you cannot cogitate, never vegetate.

never half accept the truth

 

[Strathos]

You're confusing what I said about aliens with abiogenesis. They're related, but not the same.

Aliens - intelligent like us; No aliens b/c of Fermi Paradox, Drake's Equation, The Great Filter, and others. Fine tuning makes it difficult for them to live in universe, the same for us in colonizing another planet. Likely we will not be multiplanetary and have an extinction event on Earth as the Bible predicts.

Abiogenesis - Could be a microbe or lower level life; No abiogenesis b/c of no chemical processes to for basic building block of life.

We are alone, but we live on Earth which is the perfect place for life. We are here for a reason. Yet, many people do not believe it despite the evidence probably because creation scientists have been eliminated from peer reviews of secular science.

Anyway, it's okay you don't agree with me, but you'll die without meeting aliens like us and waiting for news that they found lower level life below the surface of Mars or Europa. Again, I don't want to sound macabre, but just using what I learned in creation science. Do you not agree those are the only two places left in our solar system to explore until we can explore the next galaxy with advancements in technology?

If by "like us", you mean civilizations of individuals with egos and emotions, then I have already stated that I find that very unlikely (although I won't say impossible because we can't know for sure what God might have done).

As for single celled organisms, there are several places in the solar system where they might exist, but they very well might not exist in the solar system at all. But there are hundreds of billions of stars in our own galaxy, although exploring them is not really realistic.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I have already stated that I find that very unlikely

many things are very unlikely


that doesn't mean what you think it means

 

[Landon Caeli]

Probably, but probably none have ever visited the Earth.

Unless they were more advanced, and were able to produce enough antimatter to use as fuel, in which case, if they did, they could travel at speeds close to the speed of light.

 

[Landon Caeli]

If by "like us", you mean civilizations of individuals with egos and emotions, then I have already stated that I find that very unlikely

Well, if completely unrelated species can all evolve into crabs, then it's not hard to imagine that intelligent life in this universe would all evolve similar mentalities.

...Most likely, they would even resemble us, considering life can only take-off in "habitable-zones", on "earth like" planets, with environments very similar to ours.

Animals have evolved into a crab-like-shape at least 5 separate times | Boing Boing

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You think as atheists think.

Only to the extent that I don't believe in a god or gods; that's all atheists have in common.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Only to the extent that I don't believe in a god or gods; that's all atheists have in common.

Atheists lack faith…

 

[Ophiolite]

Atheists lack faith…

Discarding faith is the smartest move any human can make. Argument: faith requires acceptance of what has insufficient evidence. There is no rational justification for such an approach, except that it may make one feel secure. [Feeling secure is not the same as being secure.]

That said, I'm not sure all atheists lack faith. Some may have it directed towards things other than Gods.

May I ask what this has to do with aliens?

 

[JohnEmmett]

May I ask what this has to do with aliens?

Faith is necessary to accept X.

 

[AV1611VET]

Discarding faith is the smartest move any human can make.

People can discard all the faith they want.

But what they can't discard, is the fact that we were made to worship.

Discarding faith does not guarantee that the discarder won't end up worshiping Mother Nature.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Well, if completely unrelated species can all evolve into crabs, then it's not hard to imagine that intelligent life in this universe would all evolve similar mentalities.

...Most likely, they would even resemble us, considering life can only take-off in "habitable-zones", on "earth like" planets, with environments very similar to ours.

Animals have evolved into a crab-like-shape at least 5 separate times | Boing Boing

That kind of convergent evolution is fascinating - clearly it's a particularly successful body plan for some common niches - although it's likely that they all take advantage of the same basic genetic morphological 'toolkit', common to decapods or crustaceans generally, and that creatures outside those clades are unlikely to evolve that particular form.

 

[AV1611VET]

Faith is necessary to accept X.

Yup.

Faith requires an object.

In our case, the object of our faith is Jesus Christ.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Faith is necessary to accept X.

But what does it have to do with aliens?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yup.

Faith requires an object.

In our case, the object of our faith is Jesus Christ.

He's not talking about Christianity, he's talking about aliens.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Atheists lack faith…

In a god or gods. Beyond that, any faith or lack of faith they have in other things is not held in common - by definition.

 

[AV1611VET]

He's not talking about Christianity, he's talking about aliens.

Oh, sorry.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Oh, sorry.

To be fair, it does not help that this whole thing is now all over the place in terms of what's being discussed.

 

[Landon Caeli]

That kind of convergent evolution is fascinating - clearly it's a particularly successful body plan for some common niches - although it's likely that they all take advantage of the same basic genetic morphological 'toolkit', common to decapods or crustaceans generally, and that creatures outside those clades are unlikely to evolve that particular form.

It's amazing how the same things reoccur in nature... Like "flight".

Flying insects, birds, pterosaurs, and bats all evolved wings independently in another classic example of convergent evolution.

It happens in plants too:

 

[JohnEmmett]

But what does it have to do with aliens?

Atheists can't accept aliens.

Faith is necessary to accept aliens.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

People can discard all the faith they want.

But what they can't discard, is the fact that we were made to worship.

Discarding faith does not guarantee that the discarder won't end up worshiping Mother Nature.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

People certainly appear to be predisposed to superstitious behaviours and magical thinking - it's based on a strong teleological tendency to attribute agency where causation is not obvious.