Divorce

[mpok1519]

Pw; there are always red flags; one simply must be perceptive. Would you blame me for swimming in shark infested waters or the sharks for eating me? I'd blame me.

Butterfly; are you isinuating there is nothing else to life other than prayer and bible study?

 

[clep]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

That's a pretty good reason.

That wasn't a very good reason for my mother. She was bloodied and bruised for twenty three years, praying to God for mercy. She was intimidated, lived in fear and us three children lived the same way due to your way of thinking.

Again, I don't care what you can twist in scripture to try to make a person think they should be a punching bag for another. The abuser has no reason to leave as long as the partner is taking it. My dad watched my mom pray about it for a long time, be tolerant, seek outside council and have faith that all was going to be okay. My dad just laughed at her and said pray to that false god of yours, and see it won't change anything. I was okay being alone at the age of 30 after 12 years of psychologist appts. My mom could have spared me that, if she didn't have the same type of person like you in her life leading her down the "right" path.

Free will is involved here by the abuser and that is what you are choosing to ignore. All the scripture in the world doesn't change that.

 

[mpok1519]

Yes; one could argue that one cannot inherit the kingdom if they actively put theirselves in harms way. There is plenty of scripture denoting how we should do what's healthy for us.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

For some people, I don't think it's the leaving so much as it is the divorcing and the remarrying. Some have decided to ignore parts of scripture and have declared any remarriage after divorce as sinful, whether the divorce was a biblical divorce or not. They would punish the "innocent" party because of the actions of the guilty, and then go right along and say that God was doing the punishing.

 

[Duckybill]

So, Duckybill, have you stoned any disobedient children to death lately? And I assume you've given most of your worldly goods to charity, of course.

No, I haven't stoned anyone lately. But I have given quite a bit away to others. God just keeps on blessing though.

2 Corinthians 9:6-8 (NKJV)
6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.

 

[Duckybill]

Nice! And very true!

Very true indeed! It leaves no excuse for divorce and adultery. Many divorce and remarry rather than trust God to fulfill His promise to save their spouse. It's more convenient than trusting in God's promises.

 

[Duckybill]

What I find particular interesting related to the verse ducky quoted is that the NKJV translates a different word as homosexual than the NIV or KJV lol. Minor side point, but goes to the hypocritical lack of consistency in conservative viewpoints.

I'm sure you know I was referring to the "adultery" part not homosexual. I checked 8 English translations and they all use the word "adultery".

As for divorce - I don't care what a verse 2000 years ago by a chauvinist says - a woman should not stay married to a wife beater.

Why not??? God's promises to save spouses work for "wife beaters" as well as most anyone else. In other words a Christian should probably leave an abusive spouse but not divorce. There is no reason to divorce other than to commit adultery.

 

[Duckybill]

That wasn't a very good reason for my mother. She was bloodied and bruised for twenty three years, praying to God for mercy. She was intimidated, lived in fear and us three children lived the same way due to your way of thinking.

Entering into the Kingdom of God is the FIRST consideration for Christians. For non-Christians it's a non-issue.

Again, I don't care what you can twist in scripture to try to make a person think they should be a punching bag for another.

No need to twist Scripture. Just reading it upsets many. Being beaten is not a valid excuse to commit adultery. You will see on Judgment Day.

The abuser has no reason to leave as long as the partner is taking it. My dad watched my mom pray about it for a long time, be tolerant, seek outside council and have faith that all was going to be okay. My dad just laughed at her and said pray to that false god of yours, and see it won't change anything. I was okay being alone at the age of 30 after 12 years of psychologist appts. My mom could have spared me that, if she didn't have the same type of person like you in her life leading her down the "right" path.

Free will is involved here by the abuser and that is what you are choosing to ignore. All the scripture in the world doesn't change that.

The world is filled with evil people. That's why God gave promises to His people. There are MANY!!! But there are no valid excuses to commit adultery. Adulterers will not enter the Kingdom of God no matter how many ministers and religious folks Satan sends to tell us they will.

 

[clep]

Entering into the Kingdom of God is the FIRST consideration for Christians. For non-Christians it's a non-issue.

No need to twist Scripture. Just reading it upsets many. Being beaten is not a valid excuse to commit adultery. You will see on Judgment Day.

The world is filled with evil people. That's why God gave promises to His people. There are MANY!!! But there are no valid excuses to commit adultery. Adulterers will not enter the Kingdom of God no matter how many ministers and religious folks Satan sends to tell us they will.

My mother has always been a Christian and still is to this day. She put up with regular beatings due to her Christian beliefs. My father however broke his vows to my mother and God with is abuse. She simply decided one day that she was meant to be more than a punching bag to a man that was not following God's word. Scripture does not say to follow a man who was not following God.

I'm not upset by your brimstone threats. You have interpreted scripture to suit your perceptions and that's your choice. If you feel being beaten for the rest of your life works for you in that situation that's also your choice. I think if you were in the situation you might just feel differently. You can say you won't all you like, until you are there.

The only person Satan is sending are the people that say a woman should follow a man that is not a man of God.

 

[clep]

There is no reason to divorce other than to commit adultery.

Sure there is. We have laws in this world that were not in place during biblical times. There is no way an abused victim can go the rest of their life with no contact to someone they are married to.

The abuser always has rights to their life, especially their income. To be free of abuse is to be free of the abuser in every way. Abuse comes in many forms. If one knows those forms and the suffering of the abused, they would also be able to see the reason to divorce.

 

[clep]

They would punish the "innocent" party because of the actions of the guilty, and then go right along and say that God was doing the punishing.

Exactly.

 

[Cabal]

Being beaten is not a valid excuse to commit adultery.

Is is just me, or is it usually men that say this?

 

[Duckybill]

Is is just me, or is it usually men that say this?

If the wife was beating the husband it would still be the same. How's that? Adultery is still adultery.

 

[beckyjustbecky]

I may as well throw in my 2 cents worth.
I was a child who witnessed a very violent relationship because my mother believed she COULDNT divorce my father. She was beaten to the point that she was in the ICU for a couple of weeks, while my dad went out and had affairs all over the place.

I made my mind up when I got engaged that my marriage WILL have conditions. If he EVER lifted his hand to me, I'm out!!! Weather I never marry again or chose to do so is between myself and God. But Although that bible clearly states God hates divorce, Im sure the God I know and love wouldnt want His children to be suffering, no more than any sane parent would want for their own child.

 

[Duckybill]

I may as well throw in my 2 cents worth.
I was a child who witnessed a very violent relationship because my mother believed she COULDNT divorce my father. She was beaten to the point that she was in the ICU for a couple of weeks, while my dad went out and had affairs all over the place.

I made my mind up when I got engaged that my marriage WILL have conditions. If he EVER lifted his hand to me, I'm out!!! Weather I never marry again or chose to do so is between myself and God. But Although that bible clearly states God hates divorce, Im sure the God I know and love wouldnt want His children to be suffering, no more than any sane parent would want for their own child.

And still, there is no valid reason for a Christian to divorce, whether it be man or woman.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

And yet half of all those who claim to be Christian still get divorces(some with multiple divorces).

it is embarssing I agree. That is why I believe that the woman's parents should be the sole authority on who their daughter marries and who she does not. Many young women of today tend to go for bad guys because they have no guidance from their parents and they have become brainwashed by drama tv shows and soap operas which give them unrealistic expectations. And with the lowered moral of today's society most parents don't teach their daughters on how to even be proper wives and how they should act, dress, and behave towards their husbands(and visa versa). A young woman does not have the experience and wisdom to choose the right man as a husband and she needs the wisdom from her parents on choosing a right spouse.

If parents refuse to teach their daughters on the sanctity of marriage, proper morals, modesty, and guiding them correctly with their wisdom and authority how do you expect them to be able to have the tools to discern a good potential husband from a bad one?? And with how rebellious and immodest many young women of today are they always tend to plunge directly towards the bad guy, and then act all aw-struck and surprised that they are getting beaten and abused later on. In reality, they knew the guy was a jerk, but they were just in denial about it because, lets face it, many young women gravitate towards jerks because they are excited and amused by them and their spontaneity. Some women tend to claim that they "never knew" that the guy was a jerk and it was only until later. However I have met many of these ex-husbands from their past marriages and I could tell they were jerks from the first 5 minutes of meeting them. I find it a very big excuse in order to exempt their bad choice they made. I would ask "How could you not know that guy was a abusive jerk?". They knew.. It is a horrible cycle and that is why a potential wife should only be under the direct authority of her parents on choosing a good spouse...

 

[Cabal]

What if your parents are someone like Duckybill who would tell you to go home knowing you would get beaten up again?

 

[beckyjustbecky]

And still, there is no valid reason for a Christian to divorce, whether it be man or woman.

So you consider it acceptable to be in a violent relationship???
Im glad its not you I am marrying!

 

[quatona]

Lots of good reasons not to marry, in the first place, in this thread.

 

[Duckybill]

What if your parents are someone like Duckybill who would tell you to go home knowing you would get beaten up again?

How does making things up prove your point? I've always said the abused should leave unless they have very good reason not to. But that doesn't mean divorce is necessary.