Divorce

[clep]

Shame on those women who actively stay in abusive relationships bc they're afraid God will hate them!

I say shame on the people that bring about fear for these women of judgement and lack of support in making a life saving decision.

I used to be one of them and I was blessed with an immediate way out, not all are and really need that support.

 

[butterflyring09]

I am convinced that what you don't know cannot only harm you, it will destroy you. That is why you must know for yourSELF what God says in His word.

God has mercy on the repentant. His grace is what re-aligns us to His will.

Read the Word of God, ask for understanding, and you won't have to suffer wrong choices in marriage and eventually divorce. Spend time with God, let Him direct your choices and you will find your choices being right on target... every time.

God bless the saints.

 

[mpok1519]

I say shame on the people that bring about fear for these women of judgement and lack of support in making a life saving decision.

I used to be one of them and I was blessed with an immediate way out, not all are and really need that support.

All women have a way out of abusive relationships. It's not 1812 anymore; women need only to do one thing to get out of an abusive relationship. Leave.

 

[clep]

All women have a way out of abusive relationships. It's not 1812 anymore; women need only to do one thing to get out of an abusive relationship. Leave.

It's not 1812 you are right, but he psychological dynamics of abuse do not change because of the year. The fear and intimidation is still there. It often takes much support to convince the abused woman to leave, not because she wants to be there either. They all have a way out....they just don't know that. When I had a way out I didn't mean physically.

 

[mpok1519]

They should know they have a way out. What could possibly make them think they have no choice but to stay in the abusive relationship? What could possibly compell one to continue being abused? Yes I know that many women who are in abusive relationships simply don't recognize or mentally process the trauma as abuse; but that usually takes a whole lot of either insanity or delusion. From whence I say shame on the people around her who didnt take the necessary steps and tasks to prevent the situation from elevating.

 

[mandyangel]

I say shame on the people that bring about fear for these women of judgement and lack of support in making a life saving decision.

I used to be one of them and I was blessed with an immediate way out, not all are and really need that support.

what about the shame in not trying to work it out and getting help?

 

[AvalonXQ]

It disappoints me that in the 21st Century people still haven't learned that abusive relationships is not primarily about husbands abusing wives. The abuse goes both ways.

 

[butterflyring09]

what about the shame in not trying to work it out and getting help?

Thank you! Someone sees where I'm coming from! <3 God is faithful

 

[mpok1519]

Why would one want to work anything out? Women should have zero tolerance for men who beat them or say terrible and mentally abusive things to them. Absolutely none nada zilch zero tolerance if they have any self respect.

 

[mpok1519]

It disappoints me that in the 21st Century people still haven't learned that abusive relationships is not primarily about husbands abusing wives. The abuse goes both ways.

You are correct; however, overwhelmingly men are more likely to commit abuse.

 

[quatona]

You are correct; however, overwhelmingly men are more likely to commit abuse.

Depends on the definition of "abuse" you work from.
In the physical sense you are certainly correct, though.

 

[butterflyring09]

Why would one want to work anything out?

This is why:

He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. Proverbs 28:26

There is way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 15:12

It might not mean death for the woman, but for the soul of the man who was not prayed for, it could mean eternal hell fire. So we must walk in wisdom.

And where can you find it?

If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. James 1:5

And WHY must we go to God first before acting? Because His word says:

IN ALL THY WAYS acknowledge him (God), and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:6

God made it clear that we should not acknowledge Him in SOME of our ways, but ALL of our ways. You can read in the word what happened to those who chose NOT to acknowledge God in all their ways. They ended up in unfavorable situations.

Seek first the Kingdom of heaven and His righteousness and all else (the answer to what you are going through) will be added unto you!

 

[clep]

They should know they have a way out. What could possibly make them think they have no choice but to stay in the abusive relationship? What could possibly compell one to continue being abused? Yes I know that many women who are in abusive relationships simply don't recognize or mentally process the trauma as abuse; but that usually takes a whole lot of either insanity or delusion. From whence I say shame on the people around her who didnt take the necessary steps and tasks to prevent the situation from elevating.

I am not going to get into the full dynamics of abuse here, but I used to work in an abused women's shelter and it is not black and white.

Yes, shame on those that don't take the necessary steps to aid the abused person. I do believe that those who have the idea that it should be worked out are not those that aid in those steps being taken.

 

[clep]

what about the shame in not trying to work it out and getting help?

There is no shame in leaving an abusive partner that is not obviously following God's word. There is no shame in protecting one's children from physical or mental harm. There is shame in the abusive partner not following god's word. That partner is exercising free will in a very destructive way.

People that think like you perpetuate abuse and the thinking that keeps people in abusive relationships.

It is apparent you know nothing of the dynamics of abuse.

 

[butterflyring09]

I don't think Christians understand the parallel of divorce and His relationship with us. Over and over again throughout the bible, God calls Israel His bride. He is the bridegroom. God HATES divorce because what does divorce mean? It means separation from His everlasting love, compassion and grace.

The very first divorce that has ever happened in the history of mankind was the divorce between God and man with Adam. Adam died spiritually, he and his wife, and were divorced from the goodness and purely holy nature of God.

Jesus came to RECONCILE man back to God. This is the marriage.

God has been MARRIED to Israel.

Who is Israel? It was originally ONLY the Jews--those who followed the true Living God. But once Jesus died on the cross for us, Paul clarified that we Gentiles (us who are not Jews) can also be grafted into the commonwealth of Israel.

So thus we too are married to Christ, by faith in Christ Jesus.

What happens to those who REMAIN divorced from God? They suffer the curse of the Law written in Duet. 28 (ultimately eternity in the pit; sheol).

God said he does not want ANYONE to go there. And though he does not want us to go there, he gave us a free will to CHOOSE. It is His word He has promised to us, that he will NOT go against. So the almighty God, the all-knowing, omnipotent creator will not even go against His own laws so that WE can choose between eternal death... or eternal life!

He has given us a choice.

He has given us a choice.

He has given us a choice!

He even gave us the favorable answer! "Choose life!"

Choosing life would be to join with Him in marriage (in Oneness) instead of eternal separation.

He said, I have NO pleasure in the death of the wicked! Therefore repent and LIVE!!!

He is making a plea out to us! CHOOSE LIFE!

Why can't God just override our will and FORCE us to choose life?

You might not want it. Satan didn't want it. So God is giving you a choice. And the choice is NOW. Because after death, there is no more possibility of choice. It is either all Holiness or all Torment.

And THIS is what marriage is all about...

It's about joining together in unity instead of separation and confusion. It's about bearing one another's burdens instead of being selfish. It's about praying for each other's minds without ceasing that BOTH are conformed to the perfect and spotless will of God.

There is so much power in prayer that perhaps many singles, divorcees and unhappy married couples overlook.

This is the true image of marriage, the true image of perfection. This is the will of God for marriage amongst human beings because it is a reflection of His marriage to Israel.

But, you can't know or understand this will... unless you are first married to God Himself.

And THIS is the reason why many people go through unfavorable marriages and divorce. Because they have not yet FULLY committed themselves to a strong and personal relationship (marriage) with Christ which comes only of knowing His word... before having a relationship with a human partner.

 

[Duckybill]

Divorce is Satan's way of getting people to commit adultery by remarrying.

 

[Steffenfield]

Divorce is Satan's way of getting people to commit adultery by remarrying.

Dude, that is way harsh.

 

[Duckybill]

Dude, that is way harsh.

Better to know now than to find out too late on Judgment Day.

 

[Beechwell]

I don't think Christians understand the parallel of divorce and His relationship with us. Over and over again throughout the bible, God calls Israel His bride. He is the bridegroom. God HATES divorce because what does divorce mean? It means separation from His everlasting love, compassion and grace.

The very first divorce that has ever happened in the history of mankind was the divorce between God and man with Adam. Adam died spiritually, he and his wife, and were divorced from the goodness and purely holy nature of God.

Even if you accept that marriage is a symbol for or a reflection of the holy marriage between God and mankind, that doesn't mean they are the same. Neither does it mean they depend on one another. Why would God's marriage to mankind be affected by marriages between humans?
Human marriages aren't perfect. And sometimes they are so wrong any sense of companionship between the partners becomes irrevocably lost. I don't see how such a 'hollow' marriage that effectively only exists on paper can be seen as an image of the marriage between God and man anymore. Such a marriage is not worth saving. Would you disagree with me if I apply what Jesus said about Sabbat to marriage, and say that men are not made for marriage, but marriage for men?
Of course instead of having a divorce you could also do as people used to do (at least those who could afford to) and just keep up the pretense of a happy marriage while having lovers at the side, and generally go about your own seperate ways. But that is hardly soacially acceptable today either.

God said he does not want ANYONE to go there. And though he does not want us to go there, he gave us a free will to CHOOSE. It is His word He has promised to us, that he will NOT go against. So the almighty God, the all-knowing, omnipotent creator will not even go against His own laws so that WE can choose between eternal death... or eternal life!

He has given us a choice.

He has given us a choice.

He has given us a choice!

I don't get why so many people seem to think that repeating a phrase over and over again would make it more true, or make people believe in it more. It doesn't!

Anyway, nobody chooses eternal death (or suffering, depending on your interpretation). Some of us just choose to live life differently, and not as some people say it has to be (whether they claim to speak for God or not). That is our choice. And if some people (or God) have a problem with that, it is their issue. Claiming that our path is identical to choosing hell, is basically the same as holding a gun to our head and threatening to shoot us, if we don't do exactly as told. It is not really giving a choice.

And even if talking only about Christians - i.e. people who choose the path with Christ - there are majorly different opinions about what this path actually entails. Not all believe that having a divorce or having sex before marriage is necessarily against the path of Christ.
(don't try to reply to this with bible-verses: Not everything that is said in there must necessarily apply as such to modern Christianity. Even Luther, with his sola scriptura , demanded to judge the books of the bible by how far they agreed with Christ's central message.)

And THIS is the reason why people go through unfavorable marriages and divorce. Because they have not committed themselves to a strong and personal relationship (marriage) with Christ which comes only of knowing His word... before having a relationship with a human partner.

To my knowledge Christian marriages are not better or more stable than marriages among non-Christians. So as long as you cannot demonstrate some connection between commiting to Christ and having a long and healthy marriage, I must assume that this statement is pure polemic.

 

[lawtonfogle]

You are correct; however, overwhelmingly men are more likely to commit abuse.

Only if you count a woman hitting a man not abuse, which many do. The standard for what counts as abuse is completely different, and a man who is physically abused by his wife is nothing but laughing stock. If you get beat up, you don't report it, because to do so would do more harm than any good.