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It's an interesting debate. Deut 24:1 states that a man can divorce his wife if he finds something indecent about her, and there has been debate for centuries about what that means.

I will point out that under Jewish law, it was accepted that a man may divorce his wife for almost any reason, however it is discouraged and not something to celebrate about when it happens.
 
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Personally, I believe that God had in line for you already the husband you are married to now (I'm just using your situation as an example). But perhaps, before you could be with the person God called you to be with, God needed you to strengthen your relationship with Him through prayer and seeking out His will, getting in your Word, being surrounded by the multitude of counselors, and simply developing an even closer and more personal relationship with Christ Himself. The relationship you had with your ex- was perhaps a catalyst for that.

Soooo....

Is divorce ok then in her case? Or do you believe she's committing adultery?

And if she wasn't supposed to end up with her first husband, can't anybody argue that their divorce is ok, since anyone can argue that they believe that God really didn't want them to be in that first marriage anyway?

You Christians are confusing me...
 
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That is SO inspirational, I think I'll tell all the ladies at our next session to let their friends know that all they have to do is LEAVE! :clap: Then all their troubles will just be gone in the wind!!

Dude, have a little sensitivity. Many women are trying to work up to leave...some are killed in the process. My own ex tried to kill me when I was in the process of filing the protection order - he cut the brake lines on my car.

Leaving is not as simple as you try to make it.


I am dearly sorry to hear about your ordeal; a side is sympathetic and angry at such a man who would do that to anyone, let alone their own wife. But the other side of me is angry you didn't notice the redflags. You didn't know he was a psycho before he tried to murder you? He showed no signs of irrationality in his anger, moodswings, abusive tendencies? I find it difficult to believe you couldn't tell he was a total sociopath before he attempted murder.

But in that case, women can call the police and witness protection; if youfell threatened enough, they'll come and protect you by watching your house, escorting you, etc. I mean, it's not as defeatest as you make it to be. It just takes guts courage and initiative.
 
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Soooo....

Is divorce ok then in her case? Or do you believe she's committing adultery?

And if she wasn't supposed to end up with her first husband, can't anybody argue that their divorce is ok, since anyone can argue that they believe that God really didn't want them to be in that first marriage anyway?

You Christians are confusing me...



I'm a bit freaked out too; I mean, if she had a husband that beat her to a pulp regularly and called her abusive names, I would be shocked if she chose to stick around with the nutbar and enable the abuse which jeopardizes and endangers the health of her and possibly her children.
 
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I am dearly sorry to hear about your ordeal; a side is sympathetic and angry at such a man who would do that to anyone, let alone their own wife. But the other side of me is angry you didn't notice the redflags. You didn't know he was a psycho before he tried to murder you? He showed no signs of irrationality in his anger, moodswings, abusive tendencies? I find it difficult to believe you couldn't tell he was a total sociopath before he attempted murder.

Actually, no, I didn't. He was on meds for schizophrenia and bipolar disease. I did not know this. He went off his meds not long after we were married and the fun began. It was mental abuse at first. Verbal jabs and put downs. That got worse. I can't go into detail because, well, it's just private, that's all.

Because the abuse was mental, I didn't automatically leave. I just thought he was suddenly a mean guy. It happens, and I steeled myself to be miserable.

When he became physical, WHILE I was holding our son, that's when I left. I didn't even take time to pack up my stuff. He, in turn, took my bank card, emptied out the checking and savings and then proceeded to burn my possessions. The police removed him from the premises of the apartment. We had the locks changed, but not before he came in and smashed our son's cake...our son was turning 1. Then, he called the electric company and the cable company and had all our services shut off at the apartment. When he was served with the restraining order, he told the guy that he'd kill me anyway.

He showed up at work the morning my brake lines were cut and tried to get me to come out and talk to him. When my boss told him to get lost, he told me that he had money for me but that I had lost out because I refused to see him (actually, even if I had wanted to see him, the RO prevented me from doing so, at least if I wanted to be serious about needing it). My boss saw him loitering in the parking lot and called the police, but by the time the cops got there he was gone. Fortunately, my boss stuck around with me and walked me to my car and waited until I had started driving out of the lot. That's when I realized something was wrong with the car - it wouldn't stop. Thank God I didn't make it out onto the street! When the mechanic looked at it, he knew right away that it was intentionally cut.

There were more things after that, too. He was bad when we were together, but he got worse after we split.

But in that case, women can call the police and witness protection; if youfell threatened enough, they'll come and protect you by watching your house, escorting you, etc. I mean, it's not as defeatest as you make it to be. It just takes guts courage and initiative.

Witness protection? You watch too much TV. And having escorts and police patrols don't always stop the madness. I'm not defeatist, but I am a realist, and I work with abused women a lot. Women call the police on their husbands all the time, and then they slip through the cracks. Some husbands are so abusive and so manipulative that it doesn't take much more than a "I'll kill our children if you try to leave" or "I'll go after your family if you try to leave" to keep a beaten woman down.

Sometime when you get a chance, listen to "love the way you lie" with Rihanna and Eminem. Yeah, yeah, it's rap and it's not the greatest sounding song, but the lyrics are very powerful. It chronicles an abusive relationship and how they start, and how the man continues to escalate the abuse and the mental manipulations he makes. The song is very true to life. I still have the threatening letters from my ex where he said he would kill my family or find our son and take him away from me. As bat-crazy as my ex was, I firmly believed that he could make good on those threats and basically had to live the next three years as a recluse...I only went out to go to work. I had seven locks on my door. We added my folk's house to the restraining order and some of my friends who were cops kept watch at my apartment and my folk's neighborhood. I don't think I could ever put into words the terror and loneliness I felt during those three years. I'm not sure I'd want to try to put into words.
 
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Police protection could have been be attained in your situation; with enough threats, you needed to simply call 9-11. Even verbal harassment is illegal and they could have dragged him to jail for that. Realistic? You make your own reality. You control your life. You are the one in charge. It just takes initiative. And yes I know it can seem hopeless and discouraging but it's not impossible.

My advice would be to have become better aquainted with someone before beginning an intimate relationship. If you didn't know he was seriously disturbed, perhaps you hasn't spent enough time getting to know him. Again I'm sorry for your ordeal, but I am very unsympathetic for people who enter relationships with abusive partners.
 
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Police protection could have been be attained in your situation; with enough threats, you needed to simply call 9-11. Even verbal harassment is illegal and they could have dragged him to jail for that. Realistic? You make your own reality. You control your life. You are the one in charge. It just takes initiative. And yes I know it can seem hopeless and discouraging but it's not impossible.

My advice would be to have become better aquainted with someone before beginning an intimate relationship. If you didn't know he was seriously disturbed, perhaps you hasn't spent enough time getting to know him. Again I'm sorry for your ordeal, but I am very unsympathetic for people who enter relationships with abusive partners.

I hope for your sake that you are never in one. Besides, no one actively enters an abusive relationship. That's silly nonsense. That's "it's the victim's fault" mentality. It's no different than saying "that woman was raped because she wore a low cut dress!"
 
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Sometime when you get a chance, listen to "love the way you lie" with Rihanna and Eminem. Yeah, yeah, it's rap and it's not the greatest sounding song, but the lyrics are very powerful. It chronicles an abusive relationship and how they start, and how the man continues to escalate the abuse and the mental manipulations he makes. The song is very true to life.


Color me shocked. Something socially redemptive from Eminem? :p
 
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Color me shocked. Something socially redemptive from Eminem? :p

Wellllll...not sure I'd go THAT far...heh. He plays the part of the abusive partner rather well, of course. I think what really makes the song, though, is Rihanna's pain comes through loud and clear. She of all people knows about abusive relationships, having been in one herself as well.
 
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Soooo....

Is divorce ok then in her case? Or do you believe she's committing adultery?

And if she wasn't supposed to end up with her first husband, can't anybody argue that their divorce is ok, since anyone can argue that they believe that God really didn't want them to be in that first marriage anyway?

You Christians are confusing me...

I believe that only God can be the judge of that. I'm not called to judge ANY man, but allow each man to be fully persuaded in their own mind. I only give the scripture.

In every man's case, I'm not God, I don't know who He has called to join together and who he has not called to join together. You can join together with a prostitute, but the scripture says:

Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:16-17

It makes it clear that you should: Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 1 Corinthians 6:18

In other words, you are not obligated to marry a prostitute (someone you found on your own), but instead, join yourself with God.

The Word promises: Delight yourself in the LORD and he will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37:4 It says: But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things (a spouse, fill in the blank) will be given to you as well. Matthew 6:33

As far as what the Word says regarding one who divorces another, I know it makes it clear, "Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers."2 Corinthians 6:14 The ex-husband, if he utterly refused to DO God's will was an unbeliever, regardless of what he 'claimed' his faith was. The Word makes it clear to NOT join yourself with an unbeliever, especially in marriage. However, if already married to an unbeliever, you should pray for him, but if he offers a divorce you should take it.

The scripture says:
And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 1 Corinthians 7:13-15

So, according to scripture, what she did was scriptural. :groupray:
 
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butterflyring, by the logic you just presented, I did not act scripturally. I sought the divorce, not him. He probably would've been content in his abusive little world.

he didn't leave of his own accord. he was forced to leave.

Thankfully, by God's logic, my divorce, while certainly the product of sin, was not sinful and I have not committed adultery by remarrying.
 
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butterflyring, by the logic you just presented, I did not act scripturally. I sought the divorce, not him. He probably would've been content in his abusive little world.

he didn't leave of his own accord. he was forced to leave.

Thankfully, by God's logic, my divorce, while certainly the product of sin, was not sinful and I have not committed adultery by remarrying.

So, in your particular case you're quite content to either rewrite or to ignore the scriptures?

Fine by me - plus it's none of my business - but I would suggest that you lay off homosexuals.
 
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Pw; no one knowingly enters into an abusive relationship(not sane people anyway) but people do avoid them. The redflags are always there; one simply must have the right mind to spot them. Often yes victims are victimized partly by their own actions.

There were no red flags in my situation. None. I did nothing to deserve the abuse I suffered, first in the marriage and then when I was trying to get out. There were no indications that anything was wrong. We spent a few good months perfectly content and happy. And then he went off his meds.

I feel sorry for his current wife. She knows I exist but she is bitter towards me (probably because every time they file for taxes, I get the $$ for child support) and she refuses to believe that he is mentally ill.
 
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butterflyring, by the logic you just presented, I did not act scripturally. I sought the divorce, not him. He probably would've been content in his abusive little world.

he didn't leave of his own accord. he was forced to leave.

Thankfully, by God's logic, my divorce, while certainly the product of sin, was not sinful and I have not committed adultery by remarrying.

Again, I don't know your situation. I leave that between you and God. I can't judge you, I can only use the Word. And I hope you use it too and you're praying for that man to be delivered. :cool:
 
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So, in your particular case you're quite content to either rewrite or to ignore the scriptures?

Fine by me - plus it's none of my business - but I would suggest that you lay off homosexuals.

I didn't rewrite them nor am I ignoring them. There was infidelity on the part of my ex. I was the wronged partner in the marriage. My ex, however, has committed adultery by remarrying, as he was the sinful one who abandoned his marriage vows.

I don't lay on the homosexuals in the first place. Oh, I know, you equate me believing it being sinful with me hating on them. You really need to get out of that mindset.
 
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Again, I don't know your situation. I leave that between you and God. I can't judge you, I can only use the Word. And I hope you use it too and you're praying for that man to be delivered. :cool:

I tend to not think about him AT ALL. Sorry, I know you expect better from me, but I've said my piece to him and about him and I really tend to not waste time on him. I have better and more important things, like my family, to worry about.
 
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I tend to not think about him AT ALL. Sorry, I know you expect better from me, but I've said my piece to him and about him and I really tend to not waste time on him. I have better and more important things, like my family, to worry about.

:mmh:Oh. I really don't expect anything from you. Only through Jesus is Salvation made sure. But please pray for him, or at least PM his first name over to me so I can pray for his mind and salvation.
 
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