Divorce

[Duckybill]

So you consider it acceptable to be in a violent relationship???
Im glad its not you I am marrying!

Never said that. Why did you?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

again, understand that what people are saying is that you can leave your spouse, no doubt about it. But you're confined to being single and lonely for the rest of your life. No more close loving relationships, no more of the rights that a marriage provides for you. You don't get to have any children (or more children). You are punished for the sin of your spouse.

Like I said, false false false.

Yes, there are certain circumstances where divorce is wrong and sinful. Marriages where people claim to just fall out of love end in sinful divorce.

Divorce is always a product of sin, but the actions after the divorce are not always sinful.

If there are people in this thread staying in an abusive relationship because they believe it's their duty or because they think they can save their partner, GET OUT NOW. I don't care if you divorce them, but you need to leave. Don't listen to people who twist the scriptures to make them legalistic. Don't listen to people who tell you that you have to stay with that person in order to save them.

Guess what? YOU don't have the power to save someone's soul, period. Only God has that power, and He will work that power where he chooses and regardless of where you are in that relationship.

 

[clep]

Is is just me, or is it usually men that say this?

Men and those women that have never been abused.

 

[clep]

And with the lowered moral of today's society most parents don't teach their daughters on how to even be proper wives and how they should act, dress, and behave towards their husbands(and visa versa). A young woman does not have the experience and wisdom to choose the right man as a husband and she needs the wisdom from her parents on choosing a right spouse.

If parents refuse to teach their daughters on the sanctity of marriage, proper morals, modesty, and guiding them correctly with their wisdom and authority how do you expect them to be able to have the tools to discern a good potential husband from a bad one??

If a parent was abused themselves and are confused themselves they cannot teach what is required.

There is a reason it is called a "cycle" of abuse. One can't teach what they don't know and I have seen this time and time again working in abused women's shelters and with abused children.

Your post is very true. Women and men are not taught to honor themselves and in turn their future husband or wife. It is a sad situation.

 

[Cabal]

again, understand that what people are saying is that you can leave your spouse, no doubt about it. But you're confined to being single and lonely for the rest of your life. No more close loving relationships, no more of the rights that a marriage provides for you. You don't get to have any children (or more children). You are punished for the sin of your spouse.

Like I said, false false false.

Agreed, I've never gotten this logic.

It's like seeing someone eating poison, and instead of telling them to STOP EATING THE POISON, you say "well, you shouldn't have started eating the poison in the first place so you can just carry on there...."

 

[Duckybill]

Satan is the author of divorce. It is his way of setting people up for remarriage/adultery. He has LOTS of success. He has filled churches with his ministers to tell us it's ok.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (NKJV)
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

 

[Cabal]

I'm curious as to those who think that abusive marriages occur because one party married foolishly. Is doing so a sin? If so, isn't remaining in the marriage remaining in sin, which Romans speaks against?

 

[mpok1519]

How does making things up prove your point? I've always said the abused should leave unless they have very good reason not to. But that doesn't mean divorce is necessary.

Didja know that if one party wants a divorce there's not a single thing te other party can do about it?

Sometimes divorce isn't even a choice of one party but there's literally
nothing they can do to stop it.

But according to ou one is committing Satan authorized divorces though they actually could be taking absolutely no actions at all.

You're a terrible advice giver; you suggest to women to continu with dangerous and unhealthy actions. You condone the very definition of insanity. You endorse women to go ahead and stay with a man who could potenially murder them and their children. what does the bible say about that? You say it's okay to abandon your spouse, but not legally divorce them to completely severe all ties?

That is insanity. Mentally defunct insanity.

 

[EvangelicalChristian]

This discussion is becoming absurd. The idea that a woman (or man) should have to choose between regular beatings or celibacy due to the actions of another is beyond unreasonable or Christlike.

 

[Duckybill]

Didja know that if one party wants a divorce there's not a single thing te other party can do about it?

Sure there is. Believe God's promises. I.E.

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Sometimes divorce isn't even a choice of one party but there's literally nothing they can do to stop it.

But according to ou one is committing Satan authorized divorces though they actually could be taking absolutely no actions at all.

God gave us His promises to take care of us in EVERY way. He didn't forsake us in any way, especially one of the most important aspects of our lives, marriage. MANY in the churches have no idea what God has promised us.

You're a terrible advice giver; you suggest to women to continu with dangerous and unhealthy actions. You condone the very definition of insanity. You endorse women to go ahead and stay with a man who could potenially murder them and their children. what does the bible say about that? You say it's okay to abandon your spouse, but not legally divorce them to completely severe all ties?

That is insanity. Mentally defunt insanity.

I believe God. I suggest that you find out what He has promised us. He is faithful to we who believe Him!!!

 

[mpok1519]

Evangelical; and they would have no problem demonizing and labeling you as a cohort of satan for being so sensible about it. They are insinuating you to be one of Satans monkey boys for making such a logical and rational claim.

 

[foodiepeep]

I'm wondering what you all think of my circumstances- please refer to my innumerable posts here at CF about having "unbiblically" filed for divorce because of unrepentant psychological abuse and neglect, ect. from my spouse.

I can't seem to discern (from the various things that have been said) whether I should have filed for the divorce or not, or if I'm destined to burn in Hell for my sin...you all just make even more frustrating for me, as if I'm not already so very ashamed for what I chose to do.

 

[mpok1519]

Sure there is. Believe God's promises. I.E.

you misunderstand; I'm speaking if things relative o the subject. You're going on an emotionalistic rant.

If I'm married, and suddenly wife wants a divorce, files for it, and I refuse to sign the divorce papers, a judge will do it on my behalf, finalizing and legaliIn the divorce. Even if one party refuses to take part, it doesn't matter, it's going to happen anyway.

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
God gave us His promises to take care of us in EVERY way. He didn't forsake us in any way, especially one of the most important aspects of our lives, marriage. MANY in the churches have no idea what God has promised us.
I believe God. I suggest that you find out what He has promised us. He is faithful to we who believe Him!!!

And you're free to believe in your interpretation while forsaking context or historical relevance; but please stop insinuating people are satan's lapdogs for leaving a spouse who could potentially take their life.

 

[mpok1519]

I'm wondering what you all think of my circumstances- please refer to my innumerable posts here at CF about having "unbiblically" filed for divorce because of unrepentant psychological abuse and neglect, ect. from my spouse.

I can't seem to discern (from the various things that have been said) whether I should have filed for the divorce or not, or if I'm destined to burn in Hell for my sin...you all just make even more frustrating for me, as if I'm not already so very ashamed for what I chose to do.

There is scripture that says your body is a temple and you should do everything In your power to keep it safe.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I'm wondering what you all think of my circumstances- please refer to my innumerable posts here at CF about having "unbiblically" filed for divorce because of unrepentant psychological abuse and neglect, ect. from my spouse.

I can't seem to discern (from the various things that have been said) whether I should have filed for the divorce or not, or if I'm destined to burn in Hell for my sin...you all just make even more frustrating for me, as if I'm not already so very ashamed for what I chose to do.

We would say yes, because your ex, through his actions, abandoned the marriage.

You surely are not destined to burn in hell, and I know what you mean about feeling ashamed. But you don't need to be ashamed. You didn't do anything wrong, you weren't the one who abandoned the marriage, he did.

 

[Duckybill]

you misunderstand; I'm speaking if things relative o the subject. You're going on an emotionalistic rant.

Quoting God's promises is not ranting. Do you consider John 3:16 an emotional rant?

If I'm married, and suddenly wife wants a divorce, files for it, and I refuse to sign the divorce papers, a judge will do it on my behalf, finalizing and legaliIn the divorce. Even if one party refuses to take part, it doesn't matter, it's going to happen anyway.

You need to know that God changes hearts. He doesn't leave us helpless.

And you're free to believe in your interpretation while forsaking context or historical relevance; but please stop insinuating people are satan's lapdogs for leaving a spouse who could potentially take their life.

Only trying to help. God is faithful to His promises for we who believe them. Satan has stolen them from MANY!

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Yes, God is faithful to those who believe. That doesn't mean that people who divorce don't believe in Him. It doesn't mean that those who use their God-given brain aren't any less reliant on Him.

I believed when I got divorced, and I still believe. God has not deserted me. What God decides to do with my ex is between God and the ex. I have nothing to do with it.

 

[beckyjustbecky]

Never said that. Why did you?

Because you said there is still no reason for divorce. So what do you suggest a person does when stuck in a violent relationship other than leave. Especially when the violent party does not wish to seek help.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Because you said there is still no reason for divorce. So what do you suggest a person does when stuck in a violent relationship other than leave. Especially when the violent party does not wish to seek help.

That's exactly what he's saying. You get to leave, and that's pretty much it.:o

 

[Duckybill]

Yes, God is faithful to those who believe. That doesn't mean that people who divorce don't believe in Him. It doesn't mean that those who use their God-given brain aren't any less reliant on Him.

I believed when I got divorced, and I still believe. God has not deserted me. What God decides to do with my ex is between God and the ex. I have nothing to do with it.

Faith has nothing to do with our intelligence. It has to do with believing God in spite of all contrary circumstances. God said He will save our families. Anything else is a lie from Satan. We have the choice to believe God or Satan. Satan has stolen God's Word from the hearts of MANY Christians.