Divine Healing Training (JGLM)- a fraud?

[Mizuti]

Not going to get involved in the bulk of the discussion here, but I copy-pasted the link (as I am a curious person and someday, my need for perpetually more information is going to lead to my undoing...) and I felt a really deep, stabbing pain in my arm. Did not feel right.

 

[Fierce Badger]

So are you saying that it's NOT God's will for every single person to be healed? I disagree! The Bible is very clear on this. Jesus has redeemed us from sickness, and though there are people who don't get healed right away or who don't get healed at all, it doesn't mean it's not God's will that they be healed.

Every single person will be healed but not until the day of resurrection where our bodies will be completely restored having no sickness or ailment of any kind. If the maker of the website said something along those lines I would completely agree. There are times where God chooses to miraculously heal people but it's not something you just "unlock" with your faith. It's something God gives if it is his will at that time.

Instead, this man preaches an abusive theology that if someone isn't healed, then they don't have enough "faith" (i.e. BLAMING them for their own sickness and lack of recovery). This has caused countless people to apostasize and it's a heresy within Christian faith. We live in a world that has been marred by sin and one of the natural consequences is sickness.

 

[Boidae]

Every single person will be healed but not until the day of resurrection where our bodies will be completely restored having no sickness or ailment of any kind. If the maker of the website said something along those lines I would completely agree. There are times where God chooses to miraculously heal people but it's not something you just "unlock" with your faith. It's something God gives if it is his will at that time.

Instead, this man preaches an abusive theology that if someone isn't healed, then they don't have enough "faith" (i.e. BLAMING them for their own sickness and lack of recovery). This has caused countless people to apostasize and it's a heresy within Christian faith. We live in a world that has been marred by sin and one of the natural consequences is sickness.

I have to agree with the above.

My wife who has MS as those who have seen me post will know. She has been prayed for, over and hands laid on to no effect by many Christians, including pastors and elders. By my count some 50 or more people have prayed for her healing. Before and after she met me. She still has MS.

It is my belief that God heals whom He wants to heal and when He wants to heal them if at all while they still walk on this earth.

God is using her illness for His glory through all of this, even without healing. My wife and I have been told that we're an inspiration and a blessing to those who are also inflicted with MS or some other illness. They see us and see our faith that God will be there every step of the way as He has said He would never leave or forsake us. There have been times when I have posted about our faith in Him during a trying time with her MS and the night before or that very day someone was looking for hope, and my post will give it to them.

More and more I am seeing that this is our mission from God.

Sometimes, not being healed brings more glory to God then if He just instantly healed someone.

 

[Kirk777]

The links go to a very valid and true teaching on healing. Having been trained at a Christian college in Greek I can say the person in question is teaching the truth on healing. The problem with most pastors is that they are not Greek scholars nor are they Hebrew scholars. They must therefore rely on reference materials that are not thorough or prejudiced in the offered material.

The people who have denied the existence of healing for today and how it is to accomplished simply have not done a thorough study and like pastors are at the mercy of the reference guides they used.

I believe in the Word of God is true and inerrant in it's original language. This is supported by experinces if those experiences are properly considered. I have prayed for people and they were healed instantly. I likewise have been healed instantly when other brothers and sisters prayed for me as well as I have prayed for myself and gotten healing.

Christians have done a lot to be able to justify their lack of doing what God has told us to do. There is way to much to talk about on this topic with not enough space here. So do what the Apostle Paul said to the Bereans. Go listen to what the links are saying and then check it out against Scrpture study after having asked The Holy Spirit to give you understanding. After all isn't that what Jesus told us?

 

[joey_downunder]

hi, take a look at this website "revivalorriots.org/jglm-dht" I'm not trying to be judgmental but i dont feel comfortable about the "healing" part but I'm giving it a try...

Did the apostles make people pay to learn how to have a successful healing ministry or learn how to have answered prayers? Acts 8:9-24 - ESVBible.org

That's why you rightly feel uncomfortable.

 

[gideon123]

there is NO such thing as "divine healing training".
People don't do miracles - as if they are taking shop class in high school.
Yes ... it's a fraud.

Let God be God.
All you need to do is to be humble, sincere, and pray.
Anything else comes from the Lord.

Do not pay those people 1 cent.

Gideon123

 

[2CentsEach]

Read the book of Job. Especially the part where God rebukes Job.

Also Paul says in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10
7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Thanks,
Scott

First, the book of Job clearly says that Satan was inflicting Job.
Secondly, you haven't read the quote of 2 Cor. 12:7-10 you just pasted there. It says: "there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan". It was from Satan, not God

 

[2CentsEach]

there is NO such thing as "divine healing training".
People don't do miracles - as if they are taking shop class in high school.
Yes ... it's a fraud.

Let God be God.
All you need to do is to be humble, sincere, and pray.
Anything else comes from the Lord.

Do not pay those people 1 cent.

Gideon123

Actually, God said we are to lay hands on the sick so they can recover. Unfortunately modern church has failed to teach us how to do this - luckily people like Curry Blake and many others teach Christians to be able to live the way the New Testament teaches

 

[2CentsEach]

Did the apostles make people pay to learn how to have a successful healing ministry or learn how to have answered prayers?
That's why you rightly feel uncomfortable.

JGLM's devine healing technician courses ARE FREE TO ATTEND. Please don't bash something you don't know

 

[2CentsEach]

All we can do is pray? Prayer is powerful and the FIRST thing we should do! And if healing isn't for today then why did Jesus in the NEW TESTAMENT say in Mark 16:17 and 18 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tounges; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; THEY WILL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK AND THEY WILL RECOVER.

If you read the New Testament, it talks about laying hands on the sick and them being healed! James 5:14 states Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church , and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

So how can you say the gift of healing is not for today? It's spoken about all through the New Testament. God's Word doesn't and will never change. So if you are a Christian and you believe in God's Word, then you need to understand divine healing IS for today!

Dude, you are on the right track! Believe the word of God above any vain talk of man's traditions. Keep it up

 

[Ark100]

There is still healing today but I firmly believe healing cannot be taught by humans or imparted on another by mere school or teaching.
Its a divine gift from God, and its the power of God that does the healing.
Healing has not ceased and through prayer and staunch faith, Healing does take place

 

[2CentsEach]

You are exactly the type of person who needs to attend the training - it takes a purely Biblical approach.

You are correct, God gives the healing power. But if God chose when He wants to heal, why would he command us to go and lay hands on the sick? The scriptures doesn't say we should go lay hand on the sick and God will decide if He wants to heal or not..

 

[Ark100]

Why would I need to attend the training? I don;t. paul did not need training to be able to do what God assigned to Him. Its the Spirit of God, not by any human training or class.
The scriptures said nothing, zilch about attending training for healing.
I won't join such classes

 

[2CentsEach]

If you aren't able to practice healing as described in the Bible, it might be able to have some one teach you how to do it the Biblical way

 

[2CentsEach]

You don't have to attend training to be able to live the Bible. I agree. But unfortunately the modern day church isn't teaching us the way it should. Church has failed to teach the Bible in many aspects.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

I'll be very upfront and honest. I don't like this at all.

I was taught healing was oe of the many common things back in bible times, but it is NOT a common thing now. That is to say, yes God does heal, but its not so common like it was then. And also I was taught its VERY rare for anyone to have the gift of healing, if it even still exists.

I've been to healers, even world famous healers and never got healed from them. People assumed I was a sinner because obviously your supposed to be healed if your sick. Which also is not true to me. Because if you could get healed I am pretty sure every person who wasn't christian and had cancer would become christian just for the healing.

Speaking of there was a really good christian man at our church who passed away from cancer in his early 40s. He left behind his wife and kids. He was prayed over many times. Sure, at times it seemed to help and he did good. But ultimatley he died.
I have had many mircales happen in my life and have been healed of some things to some degree. But I find it rare to find anyone really healed instantly and of everything.

Like the tv preachers who you see have 10,000 people come on stage and get healed. You see the people see that they feel better but this is all shrouded in critiscism since some people have come forward and said they were paid more or less to pretend they were sick/healed. Theres even been MANY people who were "healed" but then went to the doctors and found out nothing had changed.

So as you can see I'm not into the belief that healing is that common nor that it can be "taught". The only thing I believe is that pray can lead to healing (whether its yourself praying or some fancy tv preacher). I mean I never see the bible say "Turn to some healer to get healed!". Instead it says to turn to God in prayer and pray for a healing.

 

[2CentsEach]

Thank you for your comment. I'm sorry to hear about your negative experiences.

I think that church (and us Christians) have failed at certain aspects.

But to judge the Bible by what we see in the world, is the wrong way around. Just becasue there aren't many people who do get healings right, doesn't mean the Bible is at fault. It means we are doing something wrong.

By the way, TV-healers got it all wrong, making a show and spectacle about healing.

 

[ezeric]

The problem is we don't move in the compassion that the LORD JESUS walked in.
And legalism (for the institutional church) doesn't have the love either, they are more like the 'older brother' who never saw miracles, never saw what GRACE can do.

I've laid hands on people, and nothing happened. Then when I asked for HIS word to the situation and HIS LOVE to flow, I saw healing!

If you believe JESUS saves, then you must believe JESUS heals - it is all the same!

-eric

The Exchanged Life

 

[Armistead14]

The problem is we don't move in the compassion that the LORD JESUS walked in.
And legalism (for the institutional church) doesn't have the love either, they are more like the 'older brother' who never saw miracles, never saw what GRACE can do.

I've laid hands on people, and nothing happened. Then when I asked for HIS word to the situation and HIS LOVE to flow, I saw healing!

If you believe JESUS saves, then you must believe JESUS heals - it is all the same!

-eric

The Exchanged Life

Well, please visit your local childrens hospitals, many suffer terrible cancer and incurable illnesses.

Please visit a Veterans hospital, many have lost limbs, severe burns, etc..

 

[Scott K]