Dinosaurs

[pgp_protector]

Which beetles are you concerned about? And
where? And when?

Given this question, I'm assuming you can't follow the chain of conversation.

Which beetles are you concerned about?

where?

Mount Ararat.

when?

2 Hours after Noah landed the ark.

 

[SkyWriting]

Mount Ararat.
2 Hours after Noah landed the ark.

Ok... They spent their time on the plants that Noah found growing
in the dirt after the flood. In a flood, plants will float on the surface.
Entire floating islands will often form from actual land or just floating
trees tangled together.

I'm sure you've seen trees floating.

 

[pgp_protector]

Ok... They spent their time on the plants that Noah found growing
in the dirt after the flood. In a flood, plants will float on the surface.
Entire floating islands will often form from actual land or just floating
trees tangled together.

I'm sure you've seen trees floating.

So then the bible is wrong ? (remember in Genesis 7)

23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

 

[RickG]

Ok... They spent their time on the plants that Noah found growing
in the dirt after the flood. In a flood, plants will float on the surface.
Entire floating islands will often form from actual land or just floating
trees tangled together.

For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. (Genesis 7:4)

 

[SkyWriting]

So then the bible is wrong ? (remember in Genesis 7)

See, that's the problem. When you start with doubt, it clouds your mind.

The account is an actual account of events that happened.
Now, as a fairy tail, or a edict by the church, or a morality fable,
then it would be incorrect.

"It said ALL so it must be declaring that every single last bug dies."

But here's the thing....it's an actual account.

So when Noah stands on the deck of the Ark, he looks around,
and he sees that "all the creeping things died."

If you were part of Noah's family, who retold the story, then you'd
say the same thing. All the people and all the land animals and all
the creeping things all perished. All those gardens and trees, all gone.

That what YOU would say if you were there.

That's the problem with not believing that the story is true.
If you try to turn it into a fairy tail, then you have problems...like HEY?
How did those darn bugs survive when the fairy tale said they all perished?

But it's not a fairy tale or a proclamation by some Pope.
It's a story told by men about what they saw happen.

Every animal not on the Ark perished. That's the way the passengers saw it.
The truth can be told without being 100% accurate.

 

[SkyWriting]

For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. (Genesis 7:4)

Excluding water animals, fish, birds, insects, and a number of other animals
that don't walk on land or have breath in their nostrils.

 

[SkyWriting]

WaLoR.

 

[JacksBratt]

I agree. According to Genesis account.

"And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." (Genesus 6:19)
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But don't YEC's claim the dinosaurs were lost in the flood?

YEC's claim that dinosaurs were lost in the flood? Really? Not this one.

Noah had them on the ark, two of each at least. Maybe even eggs, but at least young ones.

They perished after the flood due to the change in atmospheric conditions. Lower O2 content and barometric pressure.

 

[Subduction Zone]

YEC's claim that dinosaurs were lost in the flood? Really? Not this one.

Noah had them on the ark, two of each at least. Maybe even eggs, but at least young ones.

They perished after the flood due to the change in atmospheric conditions. Lower O2 content and barometric pressure.

The Noah's Ark Myth is even more busted than the creationism myth. All sciences point out that there was no flood.

 

[RickG]

Excluding water animals, fish, birds, insects, and a number of other animals
that don't walk on land or have breath in their nostrils.

No, the verse I provided does not exclude them.

 

[SkyWriting]

[/INDENT]But don't YEC's claim the dinosaurs were lost in the flood?

How about you link to the source?

Or do these problems just exist in your mind.

 

[SkyWriting]

No, the verse I provided does not exclude them.

Well, you need to put it back in the context of the entire Bible,
cover to cover, to get things straight.
Are you saying that fish don't smell?

 

[RickG]

YEC's claim that dinosaurs were lost in the flood? Really? Not this one.

Okay.

Noah had them on the ark, two of each at least. Maybe even eggs, but at least young ones.

Really?

They perished after the flood due to the change in atmospheric conditions. Lower O2 content and barometric pressure.

Now you are in my area of expertise. Please provide supporting evidence of that claim. This evidence should include data from oxygen and carbon isotope ratios contained in speleothems, ice cores, marine carbonates, etc.. And also please show how barometric pressure kills only dinosaurs, or anything for that matter. BTW barometric pressure is a function of weather, not climate, and how does one determine paleo barometric pressures?

 

[RickG]

Well, you need to put it back in the context of the entire Bible,
cover to cover, to get things straight.
Are you saying that fish don't smell?

There was no global flood as described in the bible. The story is not literal.

 

[JacksBratt]

Okay.



Really?



Now you are in my area of expertise. Please provide supporting evidence of that claim. This evidence should include data from oxygen and carbon isotope ratios contained in speleothems, ice cores, marine carbonates, etc.. And also please show how barometric pressure kills only dinosaurs, or anything for that matter. BTW barometric pressure is a function of weather, not climate, and how does one determine paleo barometric pressures?

Wow, not too demanding, are we?

Try this site, professor....sheesh...

Bubbles in Amber: Dinosaurs Breathed an Oxgen-Rich Atmosphere


Remember that barometric pressure and the concentration of gases is all related. The oxygen level in my scuba tank on the deck of the boat is the same as when I go down into the depths of the water. However, at about 132 feet my 21% oxygen content is the equivalent of 100%. This is toxic.

Now, in reverse, if an animal needs a barometric pressure of, say 14 PSI and an oxygen content of 35% in order for its lungs to supply enough Oxygen to it's large body. Then when the barometric pressure drops to 7 PSI and the Oxygen to 21%...... the animal cannot survive.

 

[DerelictJunction]

See, that's the problem. When you start with doubt, it clouds your mind.

The account is an actual account of events that happened.
Now, as a fairy tail, or a edict by the church, or a morality fable,
then it would be incorrect.

"It said ALL so it must be declaring that every single last bug dies."

But here's the thing....it's an actual account.

So when Noah stands on the deck of the Ark, he looks around,
and he sees that "all the creeping things died."

If you were part of Noah's family, who retold the story, then you'd
say the same thing. All the people and all the land animals and all
the creeping things all perished. All those gardens and trees, all gone.

That what YOU would say if you were there.

That's the problem with not believing that the story is true.
If you try to turn it into a fairy tail, then you have problems...like HEY?
How did those darn bugs survive when the fairy tale said they all perished?

But it's not a fairy tale or a proclamation by some Pope.
It's a story told by men about what they saw happen.

Every animal not on the Ark perished. That's the way the passengers saw it.
The truth can be told without being 100% accurate.

Being written from a certain point of view does not prevent it from being inaccurate.
If it was inaccurate, then it was wrong.

 

[RickG]

Wow, not too demanding, are we?

Yes, especially when I see misinformation being presented in a field of science I am quite familiar with.

Try this site, professor....sheesh...

Bubbles in Amber: Dinosaurs Breathed an Oxgen-Rich Atmosphere

That has nothing to do with what I asked you. Yes, not only the Cretaceous, but the Jurassic and Triassic also had more atmospheric oxygen than we have today. The said flood event would be an Oligocene event, not a Mesozoic event. You need to show different oxygen level before and after the flood.

Remember that barometric pressure and the concentration of gases is all related. The oxygen level in my scuba tank on the deck of the boat is the same as when I go down into the depths of the water. However, at about 132 feet my 21% oxygen content is the equivalent of 100%. This is toxic.

Atmospheric pressure includes all gases, not just oxygen. By your analogy, all life would be extinguished. And not only that your analogy is the opposite of what you are suggesting, more oxygen being toxic.

Now, in reverse, if an animal needs a barometric pressure of, say 14 PSI and an oxygen content of 35% in order for its lungs to supply enough Oxygen to it's large body. Then when the barometric pressure drops to 7 PSI and the Oxygen to 21%...... the animal cannot survive.

Again, by your analogy, no life would exist and you still have presented no data to back your claims. Why didn't Noah and all other life die? They lived in the same environment requiring the same amount of oxygen according to you.

 

[SkyWriting]

Now you are in my area of expertise. Please provide supporting evidence of that claim. This evidence should include data from oxygen and carbon isotope ratios contained in speleothems, ice cores, marine carbonates, etc.. And also please show how barometric pressure kills only dinosaurs, or anything for that matter. BTW barometric pressure is a function of weather, not climate, and how does one determine paleo barometric pressures?

The same as anyone makes wild-S guesses about the past....they make up fictional stories that will please the greatest number of people. It should sound plausible if possible. The more plausible and reasonable and in line with what most people think, the more likely the fiction will be well received.

Sometimes, other will create supportive fiction stories that follow the same script. If the stories are hostile to what people want to believe, then the new fictions have a hard time selling their papers and books and fighting and hostility reins in the science-fictions community.
(As if fish didn't have big noses)

 

[SkyWriting]

Being written from a certain point of view does not prevent it from being inaccurate.
If it was inaccurate, then it was wrong.

Or written by a human. Humans are prone to generalizations
which creates grey areas of accuracy but aids in the
passing of knowledge. But no, that's not how accuracy
and precision works. Not every arrow hitting the target is a bulls eye.

 

[Hammster]

Why were dinosaurs not allowed on the Ark?

They were.