Dinosaurs

[AV1611VET]

... when science is by far the most reliable way of interpreting reality ...

Looks like she missed some miracles along the way.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Science knows how it all really happened.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There was no ark.

I mean, its dimensions are literally impossible using the construction abilities of that period and the materials used; not to mention all of the upkeep and such of the animals. It wouldn't be able to fit all of said animals, nor could they be reliably cared for in any fashion.

That's not how the story reads.

 

[RickG]

That's not how the story reads.

Scripture is very specific.

"And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." (Genesus 6:19)
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Such a feat is not possible. The flood story is just that, a story, not literal history.

 

[SkyWriting]

Why were dinosaurs not allowed on the Ark?

Please produce your source for this rule.

 

[bhsmte]

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[SkyWriting]

Scripture is very specific.

"And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." (Genesus 6:19)​

I guess you don't understand what the word "specific" means
because all the specific passages in chapter 7 elaborate
on this very generalized passage.

"the Bible clearly teaches that it was only those "in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land" (Genesis 7:22) that were present on the Ark,"
If you limit the kinds, then they fit.

How Could All the Animals Get On Board Noah's Ark?​

 

[Devorim]

Originally Posted by RickG View Post:
"Why were dinosaurs not allowed on the Ark?"

Poe? Who said they weren't?

Was it the Irish Rovers? Oh, no. That was the unicorn.

 

[pgp_protector]

I guess you don't understand what the word "specific" means
because all the specific passages in chapter 7 elaborate
on this very generalized passage.

If you limit the kinds, then they fit.

How Could All the Animals Get On Board Noah's Ark?

How many kinds of Beetles were their?

 

[SkyWriting]

Why were dinosaurs not allowed on the Ark?

"When I explained that only about 600 species of dinosaurs had ever been named, that many species had been named from only a piece of one bone, that many of the species were probably of the same "kind," that many dinosaurs were small, that God wouldn't have brought the largest specimens to Noah, and that, in my opinion, there were probably only around 100 dinosaurs onboard the Ark, with an average size of a cow"John D. Morris, Ph.D.

The Institute for Creation Research

 

[Mr Strawberry]

"When I explained that only about 600 species of dinosaurs had ever been named, that many species had been named from only a piece of one bone, that many of the species were probably of the same "kind," that many dinosaurs were small, that God wouldn't have brought the largest specimens to Noah, and that, in my opinion, there were probably only around 100 dinosaurs onboard the Ark, with an average size of a cow"John D. Morris, Ph.D.

The Institute for Creation Research

Lol, creationists are funny. "..with the average size of a cow...er....probably". The institute of creation fairytales hard at work and producing good solid material as ever.

 

[SkyWriting]

How many kinds of Beetles were their?

Perhaps none.
Only those "in whose nostrils was the breath of life" were on the Ark.
I'm not sure if they qualified. I don't use that phrase myself.

 

[RickG]

I guess you don't understand what the word "specific" means
because all the specific passages in chapter 7 elaborate
on this very generalized passage.

So now we have to redefine specific to justify problems with the story as being literal. Perhaps a redefining of "literal" is needed, say: except for things that conflict.

"the Bible clearly teaches that it was only those "in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land" (Genesis 7:22) that were present on the Ark,

"

Fish have nostrils.

If you limit the kinds, then they fit.

How Could All the Animals Get On Board Noah's Ark?

Redefining specific again. Isn't it more practical to view the story as a story teaching morals, rather than something literal?

And for the gizillionth time, can any "literalist" please provide a "specific" definition of what a kind is?

 

[SkyWriting]

Lol, creationists are funny. "..with the average size of a cow...er....probably". The institute of creation fairytales hard at work and producing good solid material as ever.

Those ferocious Velociraptors in Jurassic Park were closer to chicken size.
But that didn't make for good movie fun.

 

[SkyWriting]

So now we have to redefine specific ...

No. Your passage was not specific.
It used global, all encompassing terms.
You were wrong.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Originally Posted by RickG View Post:
"Why were dinosaurs not allowed on the Ark?"



Was it the Irish Rovers? Oh, no. That was the unicorn.

Unicorns (wild oxen) probably made it onto the ark.

 

[SkyWriting]

And for the gizillionth time, can any "literalist" please provide a "specific" definition of what a kind is?

No. They cannot. The term is exactly
as you use it today. This Kind or that Kind.
It is a general, non specific term.

noun
1.
a class or group of individual objects, people, animals, etc., of the same nature or character,

or classified together because they have traits in common; category:
Our dog is the same kind as theirs.

2.
nature or character as determining likeness or difference between things:
These differ in degree rather than in kind.
3.
a person or thing as being of a particular character or class:
He is a strange kind of hero.

The phrase "after their own Kind"....means
"They are the children of their parents" or
"After their own KIN" Get it?

"After their own kin -folk."

Each according to their Kind.....Kin.....Kin-folk.

Offspring each from their parents.

According to their Kind.

Are you up to speed yet?

 

[RickG]

"When I explained that only about 600 species of dinosaurs had ever been named, that many species had been named from only a piece of one bone, that many of the species were probably of the same "kind," that many dinosaurs were small, that God wouldn't have brought the largest specimens to Noah, and that, in my opinion, there were probably only around 100 dinosaurs onboard the Ark, with an average size of a cow"John D. Morris, Ph.D.

The Institute for Creation Research

ICR

I challenge the validity that a species of anything has ever been named from only a single piece of one bone. There are currently more than 1000 known species of dinosaurs, and that doesn't even include the ones defined as avian.

Wouldn't have brought the largest ones? Hmmm, then why do we have Elephants, Giraffes, hippos, etc.? Explain how marine life dependent upon salt water survived an enormous desalination of the oceans that would have occurred? And never mind geologic time, the geologic column and no evidence of a global flood whatsoever.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The story is very similar to Genesis 1, which is a ruin/restoration story. If so God simply took on board some animals and re-created the rest after the flood. The earth after all is a place of miracles and the supernatural.

 

[pgp_protector]

Perhaps none.
Only those "in whose nostrils was the breath of life" were on the Ark.
I'm not sure if they qualified. I don't use that phrase myself.

Gen 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,

and then in Gen 7:21 we have this

21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

So if they weren't on the ark, and every creeping thing not on the ark died, where did they come from?