Dinosaurs on the Ark?

[Eryk]

Adam is a figurative representation of mankind (adam means mankind in Hebrew).

Jesus is one man through whom mankind can achieve salvation.

That's not what the Bible says. Sin entered the world through one man. One man sins, and the rest of humanity is affected by what one man has done. You are refusing to believe something that God is plainly saying to you.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Oh, my.

So the Adamic, Noahic, and Abrahamic covenants are just ... allegory ... right?

Israel is not the Promised Land, and when God says, "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob," He's just kidding?

Was Paul pulling our leg when he said ...

Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

And the Protevangelium? that's just a bedtime story?

Not bedtime story, but allegory. Some of the later stories may have some factual basis, but I don't take them as literal fact.

Now you are getting the hang of it.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

That's not what the Bible says. Sin entered the world through one man. One man sins, and the rest of humanity is affected by what one man has done. You are refusing to believe something that God is plainly saying to you.

God is telling me that I, as a human, am a sinner. That is the lesson.

I have no need to blame my sin on one person to understand this lesson.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not bedtime story, but allegory. Some of the later stories may have some factual basis, but I don't take them as literal fact.

Now you are getting the hang of it.

Thanks for pointing out how anti-Semitical the allegorical method truly is.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Thanks for pointing out how anti-Semitical the allegorical method truly is.

Now you are jumping way out to left field from what I said.

There is nothing anti-semitical about my stance.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is nothing anti-semitical about my stance.

The allegorical method of interpretation is anti-Semitic.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

The allegorical method of interpretation is anti-Semitic.

How is that possible?

Literal interpretation vs allegorical interpretation is also debated amongst Jews. Are you suggesting that these Jews are anti-Semitic.

Besides that, I fail to see how reading Genesis as allegory is anti-Semitic, you argument makes no sense.

 

[AV1611VET]

How is that possible?

I showed how it was possible.

Don't answer these questions, I'm not interested in what you think:

1. Is Israel the Promised Land?
2. Is God the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
3. Is the Abrahamic Covenant still in effect today?
4. Were the dispensations of Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, and Promise real?

Literal interpretation vs allegorical interpretation is also debated amongst Jews.

So?

Are you suggesting that these Jews are anti-Semitic.

I'm saying the allegorical method is anti-Semitic -- not the reader.

Besides that, I fail to see how reading Genesis as allegory is anti-Semitic, you argument makes no sense.

Good.

Let's drop it.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

I showed how it was possible.

Don't answer these questions, I'm not interested in what you think:

1. Is Israel the Promised Land?
2. Is God the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
3. Is the Abrahamic Covenant still in effect today?
4. Were the dispensations of Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, and Promise real?

So?

I'm saying the allegorical method is anti-Semitic -- not the reader.

Good.

Let's drop it.

I do not plan to drop it as long as you insist that I am anti-Semitic. Israel can be the Promised Land for the Jews without a literal interpretation of Genesis. As to your other questions, allow me to once again post the definition of allegory:
"a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one."

The very definition of allegory is that lessons can be taught and learned from a story that is not literally true. That includes what the Promised Land is, who the God of Abraham is, the Abrahamic Covenant, and the dispensations.

For good measure, I'll define it again, in case you missed it as you so often have before:
Allegory (noun): a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

 

[KWCrazy]

Studying the world around us - the world He created - shows us that Genesis is allegory.

Not even close.
Studying the world around us tells us how that world functions. It does not tell us origins. It can't account for the origination of anything. It can't account for miracles, so it can neither prove nor disprove any supernatural occurrence. It can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God, and thus cannot predict His capabilities or limitations. Science, then, does NOT tell us Genesis is allegory. People who reject the Scriptures tell us that.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Not even close.
Studying the world around us tells us how that world functions. It does not tell us origins. It can't account for the origination of anything. It can't account for miracles, so it can neither prove nor disprove any supernatural occurrence. It can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God, and thus cannot predict His capabilities or limitations. Science, then, does NOT tell us Genesis is allegory. People who reject the Scriptures tell us that.

You only say that because you misinterpret the evidence.

You can believe how you wish to believe with regards to Genesis. Doesn't affect your salvation.

I will take Genesis as allegory but in no way do I reject Scripture (there you go questioning my faith again, btw).

 

[AV1611VET]

I do not plan to drop it as long as you insist that I am anti-Semitic.

I am not insisting you are anti-Semitic.

I am saying that you are buying into an anti-Semitic mindset by interpreting all of Genesis allegorically.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

I am not insisting you are anti-Semitic.

I am saying that you are buying into an anti-Semitic mindset by interpreting all of Genesis allegorically.

So what I espouse is anti-Semitic but I am not? Still false. And still sounds offensive.

 

[Ronald]

Wouldn't T-Rex eat everything?

There's a Creation Museum in the Midwest where they show Dinosaurs walking up into the Ark, along with other animals.

Your thoughts?

No dinos in the Ark, God destroyed them in the Flood. Many kinds of animals became extinct at that time, buried and preserved suddenly in the mud that hardened.

 

[Papias]

I am saying that you are buying into an anti-Semitic mindset by interpreting all of Genesis allegorically.

Oh, so you think that the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, is anti-Semitic?

Based on their their new Torah commentary, which sees Genesis as allegorical, in addition to the creation story itself of course not being literal:

Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation. New Torah For Modern Minds​

I think your view that Genesis has to be interpreted literally, even when everyone recognizes non-literal stuff in it (note that the serpent is just a snake, not Satan, with a literal reading) is a lot closer to being anti-Semitic than an allegorical view.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[AV1611VET]

So what I espouse is anti-Semitic but I am not?

If you want to talk yourself into being anti-Semitic, knock yourself out.

Just leave me out of it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh, so you think that the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, is anti-Semitic?

... Mamma mia.

You guys are scientists (or close to it), aren't you?

 

[EpiscipalMe]

If you want to talk yourself into being anti-Semitic, knock yourself out.

Just leave me out of it.

How can I leave you out of it. It never even occurred to me before you brought it up. I emphatically disagree with your position, but you did bring it up so now I feel compelled to defend myself and my interpretation of Genesis against your false accusations. Fortunately, @Papias just posted a nice link that supports my position.

 

[Speedwell]

I showed how it was possible.

Don't answer these questions...

Oh, drat! Are you sure you don't want us to?

 

[KWCrazy]

Based on their their new Torah commentary, which sees Genesis as allegorical, in addition to the creation story itself of course not being literal:

They don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah, either.
So why should we defer to their opinion?