Dinos in the Ark?

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

That is what I have always assumed. I would have assumed either some eggs or little dinos were on board. If need be, I could have argued the position fairly well, as well. For example if we look at the other ark, the ark of the covenant, we see there were some things in there. like Aaron's rod. Yet the ark was little, just what was it, three feet long or something? How could a grown man's staff be in there? I guess we could say it was a shrimpy little thing, maybe. On the other hand this was a spiritual little box with amazing powers, and maybe betond space and time itsef inside. This means that basically anything may have been able to fit in there?! All we do is apply that to the other ark, and bring on the dinos!!!
But my present tact is that the past itself was very different, merged with the spiritual. This allows for very fast layers being formed, what, with trees that grow in three days, and all. So I can put the flood anywhere, or almost nowhere, in the fossil record, like way up near the top if I like. This means that all those dinos may have been pre flood, why squish em in the ark for nothing?

When it comes to comedy this is one of Dad's best. Maybe the ark was like the tardis or maybe dad just watched too much Dr. Who at some point.

Dad's new model of Noah's ark.

F.B.

 

[llDayo]

Where does it say in the Bible that God would not include certain animals? I thought it was 2 of each unclean and 7 of each clean? I don't remember excluding any. If dad or darknights could kindly point out this exclusion I'll send rep to both.

Aw, heck, how about I'll give rep to ANYONE that shows where the Bible says God would not include certain animals (aside from sinners, of course).

 

[Opethian]

God wouldn't include gophers, since they would all be used to build the ark.

Poor gophers!

Eventually he felt sorry for them and made a couple out of clay so they could repopulate the earth!

 

[llDayo]

God wouldn't include gophers, since they would all be used to build the ark.

Poor gophers!

Eventually he felt sorry for them and made a couple out of clay so they could repopulate the earth!

He didn't use the whole gopher, silly! Just their wood. Bah-dum cshh!

 

[Opethian]

IN THE PRESENT!
You are extrapolating to the past again! Like dad said, the past was very much different from the present. In the past, gopher wood was made of the gophers themselves, since the spiritual and physical world was merged!
Piece a cake!

 

[dad]

Piece of cake in your mind, since all the gaps in your ridiculous ideas are covered up by all the gaps in your brain .
I don't even know why we're discussing this, all dad is doing is fantasising about things he hasn't even got the tiniest clue about. His arguments are based on a world where he can make literally ANYTHING happen, so how can you argue against that? Let him live in his dream world, he's not even worth it to be debated with.

No, no gap in my head, have a look here, and see that the many came from the one!

""Analysis of the tigers' mitochondrial DNA revealed that all tigers diverged from a common ancestor .."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4075779.stm

Like wise, other creatures, like elephants.



"It shows that the mammoth was most closely related to the Asian rather than the African elephant. The three groups split from a common ancestor .."

"The woolly mammoth, Mammuthus primigenius, with its covering of shaggy hair, was adapted to the extremes of the ice ages. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4535190.stm
Now, go and do the right thing, -grow an arguement!

 

[dad]

"Gopher wood metal?"

Nice parody, dad.

Yes, here is a clip from a former post somewhere. Study up, and learn.

"Here is a possibility that might explain it.
If you have ever seen some gophers tunnels, you would have seen some little piles of dirt, and rocks, etc., which they push out from where the tunnel was dug.
Here is a story to be taken with a grain of salt, meant to illustrate that Gopher 'wood' may be stronger than we thought.--A long time ago, there used to be men who were skilled in many areas, such as farming, vineyards, and music. Gen 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. 21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. 22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: "
One day, one of the metalworkers made a strong substance from an idea he got looking at a gopher's pile of dirt. One simply took some natural resin and sand, coated a log, or almost anything one wanted, poured in the iron, or metal, and presto, when dry the formed metal log was now ready. My, I think I'll call this gopher wood, he thought, and the name stuck, in that pre flood ancient world. Imagine a boat built of this stuff? Or, perhaps the frame, hull etc where support was crucial, and maybe the outside finished with oak, or some wood, then everything sealed with pitch?!
Now, if it was anything at all like this, why, no wonder the poor guys translating the bible could not figure out what kind of 'wood' gopher wood was!
Have times changed? Oh, yes, but when we look, we see some things may be similar in some ways.

"What is the Sand Cast Process?

It is the process where moist bonded or resin coated sand is firmly packed around a wood or metal pattern of the item(s) to be made. The wood and/or metal pattern is then removed and the resulting cavity is filled with the molten metal. Once the cavity is filled the mold undergoes air drying. The mold(s) are then removed to be cut from the gate and runner as individual pieces. "
"
Most versatile & low-cost method of casting.
Strength and lightness in certain light metal alloys.
Good bearing qualities are obtained in sand casted metals.
Extremely large, heavy metal objects may be cast when they would be difficult or economically impossible to produce otherwise.
Suitable for Ferrous & Non-Ferrous materials void of limitations such as size, shape or weight.
Suitable for low or unlimited quantities making this method ideally economical.
The most intricate of shapes, both external and internal, may be cast. "
http://www.atlasbronze.com/sand_casting.html

 

[dad]

Where does it say in the Bible that God would not include certain animals? I thought it was 2 of each unclean and 7 of each clean? I don't remember excluding any. If dad or darknights could kindly point out this exclusion I'll send rep to both.

I never said some were excluded. I say there were the few, which adapted to the many. And have asked why most dinos may not have been extinct at flood time.

 

[dad]

You still haven't really answered my question. Are you saying that a vegetarian diet allowed for "hyper-evolution?"

No, that would be a normal course in the merged, as it again will be in heaven. The PO world changes that happened included a need to eat meat, but was not a cause, but an effect.

A lack of radiation damage, would reduce mutation, and thereby reduce genetic variation... hardly a means of increasing the rate of evolution (compared to today).

How could a tree grow in a few days, literally? Big changes, real big.

Why not just admit you have no clue as to what you are talking about? You will feel better in the morning!

I have plenty of clues in the bible how it was and will be. We cannot expect a PO science explanation of the differences, because the big difference is the addition or subtraction of the spiritual, which is what you don't know about, admit it.

 

[dad]

I thought there was one "cat" kind... are you saying there were many "cat" kinds? How many "dog" kinds were there? Was there a "hyena" kind?

So far, with the cats, we see that tigers were of the same original kind, and elephants. I assume that tigers are different than lions, but I don't know. If some evidence tells us they all came from a common ancestor or not. What can you add to that?

Again you spit out this "hyper-evolution" stuff... yet you still cannot tell us the mechanism behind it... how about little pink fairies?

The spiritual addition with the physical is the mechanism. As for precise PO changes that happened I might be able to help someone making a serious study of it, but for the average skeptic, we will have to just say that you can't understand the spiritual at the moment.

 

[dad]

I love the part about including "gopher debris"... what the heck is that? Gopher poop? Is that supposed to be made of metal?

No one else can come up with this stuff like dad!

The only reason I haven't put dad on "ignore" is because he still makes me laugh so hard!

Already posted a reply here on gopher 'wood'. It was the sand they dig out from the tunnels, used as a mold, with wood, I speculate.

 

[Split Rock]

No, no gap in my head, have a look here, and see that the many came from the one!

""Analysis of the tigers' mitochondrial DNA revealed that all tigers diverged from a common ancestor .."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4075779.stm

Like wise, other creatures, like elephants.



"It shows that the mammoth was most closely related to the Asian rather than the African elephant. The three groups split from a common ancestor .."

"The woolly mammoth, Mammuthus primigenius, with its covering of shaggy hair, was adapted to the extremes of the ice ages. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4535190.stm
Now, go and do the right thing, -grow an arguement!

Too bad all these sources you are citing will also tell you that all felines have a common answer, as well as all mammals. You don't bother to cite that when you go cherry-picking, do you dad?

 

[Split Rock]

Already posted a reply here on gopher 'wood'. It was the sand they dig out from the tunnels, used as a mold, with wood, I speculate.

Speculate and fantasize all you like, dad... you are very good at it!

 

[dad]

When it comes to comedy this is one of Dad's best. Maybe the ark was like the tardis or maybe dad just watched too much Dr. Who at some point.

..
Dad's new model of Noah's ark.

F.B.

Bring on the waves, the superstructure of the ark could handle it. Ark hunters, get out the metel detectors.
As for the spiritual being different and having powers beyond imagination, this is a given.
Look at the manna in the ark, how could it last centuries, when in the desert, it vanished after collection? Strange things went on in that ark!

 

[Opethian]

No, no gap in my head, have a look here, and see that the many came from the one!

""Analysis of the tigers' mitochondrial DNA revealed that all tigers diverged from a common ancestor .."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4075779.stm

Like wise, other creatures, like elephants.



"It shows that the mammoth was most closely related to the Asian rather than the African elephant. The three groups split from a common ancestor .."

"The woolly mammoth, Mammuthus primigenius, with its covering of shaggy hair, was adapted to the extremes of the ice ages. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4535190.stm
Now, go and do the right thing, -grow an arguement!

Obviously I already knew this! I wasn't making fun of the fact that you stated that all tigers come from a common ancestor, I was making fun of the way you were using that fact to explain the story of the ark! The evolving of tigers from that common ancestor took millions of years, and what you suggested there is just ridiculous!
The fact you misinterpreted what I was laughing at shows you don't have the intellectual capacity to notice what might be delusional about your ideas.

 

[Opethian]

I speculate.

Yes you do, and it's all you do.

 

[dad]

.... The evolving of tigers from that common ancestor took millions of years, and what you suggested there is just ridiculous!
The fact you misinterpreted what I was laughing at shows you don't have the intellectual capacity to notice what might be delusional about your ideas.

No, I put no stock in evo delusional attempted humor, that is based on crediting the belief with some reality. You claim a physical only past where adapting rates were the same as now, but can offer nothing but statements of faith to back it up!
God told the serpent to get on it's belly, and whatever kind of creature it was, it evolved in a hurry to what He said, and slithered away! If we look at the ark of the covenant, we see that animal instincts were overruled. The 'programming' they were left with from the split was updated, in other words! When the spiritual is added, and present, all PO rules are irelevant. The cow left it's young, and led the ark exactly where it should go, back towards Israel, not turning to stop at the sound of it's calf calling mommy! The spiritual, and physical together seems more in touch with His will, and need not operate of former instructions, instincts, etc etc. It's a now kinda thing happening with the spiritual.

 

[dad]

Yes you do, and it's all you do.

No, thats all you do with old age belief. I base everything I say on something real.

 

[Opethian]

No, thats all you do with old age belief. I base everything I say on something real.

I have yet to see anything at all support your delusional fantasies. Besides the delusions you make up to support the other ones.

 

[llDayo]

I never said some were excluded. I say there were the few, which adapted to the many. And have asked why most dinos may not have been extinct at flood time.

You're still claiming they were excluded, just not in the same sense as darknight was. You're just saying that they were probably extinct before the flood. I probably should included: or show where God killed off these huge beasts and no one noticed they weren't walking around anymore (kind of hard to miss something weighing more than an 18 wheeler).