Did the Jews kill Christ?

[A_Thinker]

Does not matter who did it , the Jews took it on themselfes at Pilate judgement .

Matthew 27:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Another extremely small group of Jews, relatively, (i.e. the crowd gathered at the sentencing of Christ).

Do you really believe that God would hold the entire people-group responsible for this, the sin of a comparative few ... ?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Amen. It is dangerous territory to say "the Jews killed Jesus" because such incredible evil has been done with this slogan. And every disciple, every relative, every childhood friend of Our Lord was Jewish. As well as Himself.

One must always speak Truth however. Scripture insists the Jews along with evil men had Jesus put to death...the evil men would be the Roman soldiers (Gentiles) most certainly. So that in this way God turned the entire world over to disobedience so that He could have mercy on them all...Jews and Gentiles alike. (Romans 11:32)
Psalm 27:3:
Though an army besiege me,
my heart will not fear;
though war break out against me,
even then I will be confident.

We are called to be Truthful and we are called to suffer persecution for it.

 

[JackRT]

Is it not both?
Jesus was tried in a religious court. Matthew 26

63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.


Isn't the point that the Sanhedrin opted to get the Romans to execute him? A sleight of hand that would cause them severe blowback a few years later.

Please go back and reread my post #51.

 

[JackRT]

Scripture insists the Jews along with evil men had Jesus put to death...the evil men would be the Roman soldiers (Gentiles) most certainly.

Not "the Jews" only at most a few hundred out of a total Jewish population of up to 10 million world wide.

 

[Chinchilla]

Another extremely small group of Jews, relatively, (i.e. the crowd gathered at the sentencing of Christ).

Do you really believe that God would hold the entire people-group responsible for this, the sin of a comparative few ... ?

Yes , if you have problem with this you for sure have problem with Noah cursing his not son which saw his nakedness but grandson who did nothing wrong .

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Not "the Jews" only at most a few hundred out of a total Jewish population of up to 10 million world wide.

Because of the inherited sinful nature it sounds to me it is imputed upon all the Jews collectively. Again...
Acts 2:22-23:
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

 

[MariaJLM]

This can often be problematic since it has been used for centuries to justify fierce anti-semitism. That being said, though, the Jewish leaders at the time wanted Him dead, but I think it's inaccurate to use language like "killed" or "murdered" when referring to Christ. That implies He had no choice in the matter. He did. He could have stopped the whole right then and there, but He did not. He knew that He had to die to redeem humanity. As we in the Orthodox Church say in one of our Easter hymns "Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death".

 

[A_Thinker]

Yes , if you have problem with this you for sure have problem with Noah cursing his not son which saw his nakedness but grandson who did nothing wrong .

I do have a problem with Noah's curse.

And it was God, through Ezekiel, who said ...

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

 

[Chinchilla]

I do have a problem with Noah's curse.

And it was God, through Ezekiel, who said ...

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Yea but he also said Exodus 34:7

 

[parousia70]

No. Jesus the Christ was pre-destined to willingly die,

Wait... so you are saying it was "Assisted Suicide"?

 

[parousia70]

I think it's inaccurate to use language like "killed" or "murdered" when referring to Christ. That implies He had no choice in the matter. He did. He could have stopped the whole right then and there, but He did not. He knew that He had to die to redeem humanity.

Another vote for "Assisted Suicide"?

 

[Chinchilla]

Wait... so you are saying it was "Assisted Suicide"?

Yea you can say that . Apart from that . Let's assume Jews accepted Messiah .
Christ would still need to pay for sins by dying tho , would he be sacrificed by High priest just like in Abraham and Isaac story ?

 

[parousia70]

Yea you can say that . Apart from that . Let's assume Jews accepted Messiah .
Christ would still need to pay for sins by dying tho , would he be sacrificed by High priest just like in Abraham and Isaac story ?

The Jews DID accept Messiah.... 3000 on one day even!

In fact, up to and through 3.5 years after His crucifixion, ONLY Jews Accepted Messiah.

 

[Chinchilla]

The Jews DID accept Messiah.... 3000 on one day even!

In fact, up to and through 3.5 years after His crucifixion, ONLY Jews Accepted Messiah.

3000 out of how many ? 500 000 ?

God is calling these who were saved "remament"

Romans 11:3-6 King James Version (KJV)
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[JackRT]

The Jews DID accept Messiah.... 3000 on one day even!

Not "the Jews" --- certainly "some Jews" and a small minority at that.

 

[Ancient of Days]

Guys, I was just looking at a TV show where a guest has created a documentary on the Holocaust and one speaker in the documentary said "the Jews did not kill Christ".

my thinking is the Romans physically killed Christ but it was the Jews who forced it so they were responsible and accountable, your thoughts on this please?

No. You and me killed the author and creator of life. We nailed Jesus to the cross with our sin and iniquity. We are responsible. Do you understand?

 

[discipler7]

All these terms, "messiah", "kingdom of God", "at the right hand of God" and "son of God" were political rather than religious statements.

Are you sure.?

JOHN.1:41 = 41 He first found his own brother Simon, and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which is translated, the Christ).

JOHN.4:16-26 =16 Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come here.”

17 The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.”

Jesus said to her, “You have well said, ‘I have no husband,’ 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”

19 The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”

21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”

26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”
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DANIEL.9:26-27 =
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

MATTHEW.24:15-16 = 15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

LUKE.21:20 = 20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, ...

 

[Ancient of Days]

Here is a picture of Christ holding me after I nailed him to the cross. Talk about Amazing Grace!

 

[throughfiierytrial]

No. You and me killed the author and creator of life. We nailed Jesus to the cross with our sin and iniquity. We are responsible. Do you understand?

That "we" includes the Jews, however. Take another look at Acts 2 which right there calls out the Israelites for putting Christ to death along with evil men...Gentiles. So you are correct if you are including the Jews in the "me and you" of your post.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Not like this isn't the THOUSANDTH iteration of this topic here on CF. What hasn't been said?