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Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

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Doesn't that mean, anyone claiming themselves to be Born of God and Freed from Sin by Jesus Christ and continue to sin are also Hypocrites?
Not if they know they know they are guilty and are only free because of one certain individual named Jesus Christ, and only, ONLY due to that and because of him, and most of us mean, "Free" in declared blameless, Jesus doing the declaring, does not necessarily mean that we don't still sin...

Also, even if all are basically hypocrites, except Christ, maybe that's what Paul meant by every man (one) being found a liar... Cause God thinks it is lying...

God Bless!
 
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I mean most of us have our private self that many of us start out not liking to or not spending much time getting to know it as well as we maybe perhaps should, but, that aside, we have our private self, and the rest is what we show others or how we are with others (and because others are present) and is not, in my humble opinion, the "real" us, but it is the "mask" so to speak, but like a living mask in this world... That is our other self, which is not truly us, in my opinion...

In that way, were all hypocrites, all liars...

If that stopped overnight right now, without Christ, it would destroy us, right now...

God Bless!
 
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"Most of us mean, "Free" in declared blameless."
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Now I understand, you guys only believe your Declared to be Blameless, when it doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible.

Whereas SBC and I declare ourselves to be Dead in Christ, therefore we "ARE" Blameless in Him.

Rom. 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Do you also believe you are only Declared to be Dead in Christ?

Being Blameless isn't something said about us, it is what we BECOME in Christ.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 
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Are we to think of ourselves as sinners or not...?

I guess that just depends on the definition of the term. Is a sinner someone who lives in unrepentant sin, or one who occasionally sins and then repents.

Are you ignorant of what the definition of Sin is (and there is only one Definition), or are you just making things up as you go along?

Non sequitur.

It seems that you've failed to recognize the difference between "sin," and a "sinner."

If you practice sin; you're a sinner. If you have sinned; you are not necessarily a sinner.
 
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Non sequitur.

It seems that you've failed to recognize the difference between "sin," and a "sinner."

If you practice sin; you're a sinner. If you have sinned; you are not necessarily a sinner.
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Scripture????
 
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Non sequitur.

It seems that you've failed to recognize the difference between "sin," and a "sinner."

If you practice sin; you're a sinner. If you have sinned; you are not necessarily a sinner.
Is it have no, or have not (sinned)...?
 
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Scripture????

...basic understanding of the English language.

If you don't understand the language; you'll be hard pressed to understand scripture.

I've sung. That doesn't make me a singer.
I've danced. That doesn't make me a dancer.
I've snapped a photo. That doesn't make me a photographer.
I've worked on plumbing. That doesn't make me a plumber.
I've written. That doesn't make me a writer.
I've sinned. That doesn't make me a sinner.


(CLV) Isa 43:25
I! I am He Who wipes out your transgressions on My own account, And your sins I shall not remember further.

If YHWH wipes out and forgets your sins; why would you remember and hold fast to them?

It sounds like the work of the Adversary, trying to guilt-trick you into believing that YHWH hasn't wiped them out and forgotten them.

Would Yahshua remember your sins, and dwell on them; if you were following him?

I believe that he would do the will of YHWH.

I would urge you to follow Yahshua. Trust that you are forgiven; and love YHWH
with all your soul and with all your intensity. If you can do that; you won't remember you sins, nor even have a moment for a thought other than that of YHWH. You won't be sinning; and you'll sin no more.


(CLV) Dt 6:4
Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One.

(CLV) Dt 6:5
So you will love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your intensity.

(CLV) Dt 6:6
These words which I am instructing you today will come to be on your heart.
 
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If we say we have no sin we have deceived ourselves and the truth is not in us. You say you have no sin. What does the scripture say about you?
(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.
 
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If we say we have no sin we have deceived ourselves and the truth is not in us. You say you have no sin. What does the scripture say about you?
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It says,

We are the Children of God.
We are the Righteousness of God in Him.
 
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Non sequitur.

It seems that you've failed to recognize the difference between "sin," and a "sinner."

If you practice sin; you're a sinner. If you have sinned; you are not necessarily a sinner.
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I am curious as to why you quoted my post #21, are you of the belief the Definition of Sin is also a
non-sequitur?

Definition of sin

1Jn. 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


As far as someone being a sinner, Scripture says.

John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

A servant (slave) of sin is someone who practices sin, (commits) sin, cannot stop sinning, and has not ceased from sin.

Therefore someone claiming to have been Freed from sin, yet continues to commit sin is therefore a sinner.
 
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What Translation is the (CLV)?
 
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The knowledge is all are born in sin, and commit sin -
The consideration should be about what one has become, not what one was.
If God forgave and covered it and considers it no more, why do men?


So, that's that.
God Bless,
SBC


Cause they still do it maybe...?

God Bless!
 
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Cause they still do it maybe...?

God Bless!

Well aware men of a natural seed ARE dead in sin, to God, (separated from God)

But then, how does a dead body, that has been forgiven, sanctified, anointed, crucified with Christ testify it still sins against God.

How is their testimony true, to be dead to God both ways at the same time?

God Bless,
SBC
 
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I don't know if I really do sin against God now or not...? I may turn out to actually being obedient...? if it weren't for my won perspective on sin, who knows...?
 
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Yes absolutely. I wholeheartedly believe those verses. I am combating however the false doctrine that believers cannot sin or are sinless.
 
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Ok let me see if I understand what you are saying. You are saying that you do sin, but those sins have been forgiven already. So if you tell a lie tomorrow (example only) that the sin has been already covered by Jesus. Have I got that right?
 
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