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Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

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Doesn't that mean, anyone claiming themselves to be Born of God and Freed from Sin by Jesus Christ and continue to sin are also Hypocrites?
Not if they know they know they are guilty and are only free because of one certain individual named Jesus Christ, and only, ONLY due to that and because of him, and most of us mean, "Free" in declared blameless, Jesus doing the declaring, does not necessarily mean that we don't still sin...

Also, even if all are basically hypocrites, except Christ, maybe that's what Paul meant by every man (one) being found a liar... Cause God thinks it is lying...

God Bless!
 
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Not if they know they know they are guilty and are only free because of one certain individual named Jesus Christ, and only, ONLY due to that and because of him, and most of us mean, "Free" in declared blameless, Jesus doing the declaring, does not necessarily mean that we don't still sin...

Also, even if all are basically hypocrites, except Christ, maybe that's what Paul meant by every man (one) being found a liar... Cause God thinks it is lying...

God Bless!
I mean most of us have our private self that many of us start out not liking to or not spending much time getting to know it as well as we maybe perhaps should, but, that aside, we have our private self, and the rest is what we show others or how we are with others (and because others are present) and is not, in my humble opinion, the "real" us, but it is the "mask" so to speak, but like a living mask in this world... That is our other self, which is not truly us, in my opinion...

In that way, were all hypocrites, all liars...

If that stopped overnight right now, without Christ, it would destroy us, right now...

God Bless!
 
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"Most of us mean, "Free" in declared blameless."
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Now I understand, you guys only believe your Declared to be Blameless, when it doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible.

Whereas SBC and I declare ourselves to be Dead in Christ, therefore we "ARE" Blameless in Him.

Rom. 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Do you also believe you are only Declared to be Dead in Christ?

Being Blameless isn't something said about us, it is what we BECOME in Christ.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 
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Are we to think of ourselves as sinners or not...?

I guess that just depends on the definition of the term. Is a sinner someone who lives in unrepentant sin, or one who occasionally sins and then repents.

Are you ignorant of what the definition of Sin is (and there is only one Definition), or are you just making things up as you go along?

Non sequitur.

It seems that you've failed to recognize the difference between "sin," and a "sinner."

If you practice sin; you're a sinner. If you have sinned; you are not necessarily a sinner.
 
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Non sequitur.

It seems that you've failed to recognize the difference between "sin," and a "sinner."

If you practice sin; you're a sinner. If you have sinned; you are not necessarily a sinner.
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Scripture????
 
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Non sequitur.

It seems that you've failed to recognize the difference between "sin," and a "sinner."

If you practice sin; you're a sinner. If you have sinned; you are not necessarily a sinner.
Is it have no, or have not (sinned)...?
 
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Scripture????

...basic understanding of the English language.

If you don't understand the language; you'll be hard pressed to understand scripture.

I've sung. That doesn't make me a singer.
I've danced. That doesn't make me a dancer.
I've snapped a photo. That doesn't make me a photographer.
I've worked on plumbing. That doesn't make me a plumber.
I've written. That doesn't make me a writer.
I've sinned. That doesn't make me a sinner.


(CLV) Isa 43:25
I! I am He Who wipes out your transgressions on My own account, And your sins I shall not remember further.

If YHWH wipes out and forgets your sins; why would you remember and hold fast to them?

It sounds like the work of the Adversary, trying to guilt-trick you into believing that YHWH hasn't wiped them out and forgotten them.

Would Yahshua remember your sins, and dwell on them; if you were following him?

I believe that he would do the will of YHWH.

I would urge you to follow Yahshua. Trust that you are forgiven; and love YHWH
with all your soul and with all your intensity. If you can do that; you won't remember you sins, nor even have a moment for a thought other than that of YHWH. You won't be sinning; and you'll sin no more.


(CLV) Dt 6:4
Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One.

(CLV) Dt 6:5
So you will love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your intensity.

(CLV) Dt 6:6
These words which I am instructing you today will come to be on your heart.
 
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If we say we have no sin we have deceived ourselves and the truth is not in us. You say you have no sin. What does the scripture say about you?
(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.
 
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If we say we have no sin we have deceived ourselves and the truth is not in us. You say you have no sin. What does the scripture say about you?
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It says,

We are the Children of God.
We are the Righteousness of God in Him.
 
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Non sequitur.

It seems that you've failed to recognize the difference between "sin," and a "sinner."

If you practice sin; you're a sinner. If you have sinned; you are not necessarily a sinner.
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I am curious as to why you quoted my post #21, are you of the belief the Definition of Sin is also a
non-sequitur?

Definition of sin

1Jn. 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


As far as someone being a sinner, Scripture says.

John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

A servant (slave) of sin is someone who practices sin, (commits) sin, cannot stop sinning, and has not ceased from sin.

Therefore someone claiming to have been Freed from sin, yet continues to commit sin is therefore a sinner.
 
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(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.
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What Translation is the (CLV)?
 
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The knowledge is all are born in sin, and commit sin -
The consideration should be about what one has become, not what one was.
If God forgave and covered it and considers it no more, why do men?


So, that's that.
God Bless,
SBC


Cause they still do it maybe...?

God Bless!
 
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Cause they still do it maybe...?

God Bless!

Well aware men of a natural seed ARE dead in sin, to God, (separated from God)

But then, how does a dead body, that has been forgiven, sanctified, anointed, crucified with Christ testify it still sins against God. :scratch:

How is their testimony true, to be dead to God both ways at the same time?

God Bless,
SBC
 
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Well aware men of a natural seed ARE dead in sin, to God, (separated from God)

But then, how does a dead body, that has been forgiven, sanctified, anointed, crucified with Christ testify it still sins against God. :scratch:

How is their testimony true, to be dead to God both ways at the same time?

God Bless,
SBC
I don't know if I really do sin against God now or not...? I may turn out to actually being obedient...? if it weren't for my won perspective on sin, who knows...?
 
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(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.

Yes absolutely. I wholeheartedly believe those verses. I am combating however the false doctrine that believers cannot sin or are sinless.
 
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I trust the Word of God. I trust it is God who gives a man His interpretation, ie His understanding of Scripture.

I do not trust; the interpretations of Greek philosophers, Popes, Ministers, etc. simply because they have revealed they HAVE "concluded" an interpretation of Gods Word, and have a following of men, who trust their interpretations of Gods Word.



In short, yes.
Based on: what I have revealed.
I confessed my belief in God TO the Lord.
I confessed my SINS, TO the Lord.
I gave my body, crucified with Christ.
God forgave my sins, cleansed me of unrighteousness.
God sanctified, anointed, my dead body, and keeps it with Christ.
God justified my body, to be redeemed and glorified in His light.
God restored my soul.
God gave me a new heart.
God dwells within my heart with His Spirit.
Gods Seed is within my heart.
Gods Seed birth me a new spirit that dwells within my heart.
Gods Spirit and my spirit dwell together within my new heart, in fellowship.
I seek, and Gods Spirit feeds my spirit, His Word, His Knowledge, His Wisdom and His understanding of His knowledge and His Word.
God has appointed me, accounted as "born of God", as "His son".
I trust God is faithful and true, without deceit.
I trust I have fulfilled Gods requirements to be "born of God, and accounted, "His son" and He My God.

I trust Scripture is true - thus I trust -

1 John 3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

In short -
absolutely I claim, I can not commit sin; I can not sin.
And absolutely I know WHY.



No. That is a lie. That is YOUR CLAIM, not mine.



No. It is not plain.
What is plain, is what I claim. Not what someone else claims for me.



IT - is;
All men, are dust of the earth. <--- body/form/flesh
All men, are given (imparted) life from God into their body <--- living soul
All men, given a living soul <--> their body's life (its blood), begins it's own life.
All men, have a natural spirit <--> in their heart, which is their natural truth.

All men, are sentenced to die. Their life (blood, body, flesh), shall die.
Their body's return to the earth, via a grave, and rot and become once again, dust.
The living soul, departs, the physically dead body.
The living soul, goes - to where Gods sends it.
The natural spirit of man, (his truth), returns to the earth, dust, with its dead body.

Male and female humans, reproduce offspring, via the male and female (natural seeds)
The offspring, is bodily formed by God, within the female.
The offspring, grows within the female, dependent upon her life (blood).
It shall be like it's kind of thing, as its parents,
It's own life, its' blood, severed from its mothers life (blood)
receiving life from God imparted, (living soul)...
have it's own natural seed,
it's life, sentenced to die, etc. as the same as it's parents.

ALL men naturally born, are separated from God. ie DEAD to God, when they are born.
They are born IN SIN, because they are separated from God.
They are separated from God, BECAUSE, they do not know Him, love Him, believe in Him, have a relationship with Him, etc.

Any man separated from God, IS Spiritually DEAD to God, who IS Spirit, thus any relationship with God IS on a Spiritual level, not a Carnal level.

Any man WHO desires to have a relationship with God.
God has provided a WAY, for any man TO HAVE a relationship WITH GOD.
Again, God is Spirit, thus the relationship between a man and God, is only on a Spiritual level.

I have already revealed, HOW, I followed Gods WAY, to develop and HAVE a Spiritual relationship with God.

About my BODY. It was dead to God when I was born (from a mans seed).
It is still DEAD to God.

The difference NOW is -
my body is Spiritually DEAD, Spiritually crucified with God.
my body is FORGIVEN of its sin, in standing against God.
All of my sins, of my body, and the corruption of my soul being IN a corrupt body, standing against God, are forgiven.
All of my body's unrighteous acts, have been cleansed.
All of my body's sins against God, have been COVERED, and are remembered no more, by God.

PAY ATTENTION - at no time does Scripture or have I claimed - the SINS of my body or soul, have DISAPPEARED. The Scripture is clear. My sins are Forgiven and Covered.

God did not BIRTH me a new BODY. God forgave my body's sins, then KILLED that body with crucifixion with Christ. And Christ keeps my sanctified, anointed, body with Him, that is justified to be claimed and redeemed, by Him.

God birthed me a NEW spirit, WITH His Seed, (who IS Christ).
God gave me a NEW HEART, with a NEW Word, a NEW TRUTH, which is Christ, His Spirit, within me.
It is Gods Word, Gods Truth that now feeds my new spirit, in my new heart.

It is BECAUSE of Gods Way, HIS Changes within me, that from THERE FORWARD, a man born of God, Having Gods Seed, Having Gods Spirit, such man CAN NOT, there forward; commit sin, or otherwise sin.

I have never claimed; "I HAVE NO SIN" ; <--- that IS A LIE, others have authorized themselves to make their own FALSE CLAIMS FOR ME, with their own false words.

My claim is according to being in agreement with Scripture, which I trust is true.
In short - I do not commit sin. I can not sin.

I am not responsible for the lack of understanding of men, who do not recognize or understand Gods WAY of how He changes a Carnal earthly man born in standing AGAINST God, into a Spiritual man whose standing is WITH God.

I am not responsible for men who use a Scripture against me, that does not apply to me, nor have they once, presented or quoted me saying what THEY claim.

I am not responsible for men who once or repeatedly make false accusations or testimonies of their own words against me.

Both God and myself are well aware, of WHO has falsely testified against me. Falsely used the Word of God to testify against me. Have, called me a heretic, bigot, liar and determined and stated; I have not become in God, and am wrong, and am damned.

And so too, those who have made such claims, also claim, they are Christians!
Claiming themselves Christians, saved by God; and openly announce, they continue to sin.

Scripture is clear;

There are two WAYS -
With God or Against God
Walk in the spirit or Walk in the Flesh.

In my opinion -
I see lip service - TO GOD and then the TRUTH Against God and Walking in the Flesh.

So to the OP - what did Paul consider, what should the born again consider?

The knowledge is all are born in sin, and commit sin -
The consideration should be about what one has become, not what one was.
If God forgave and covered it and considers it no more, why do men?


So, that's that.
God Bless,
SBC

Ok let me see if I understand what you are saying. You are saying that you do sin, but those sins have been forgiven already. So if you tell a lie tomorrow (example only) that the sin has been already covered by Jesus. Have I got that right?
 
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