Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?

[Blade]

Did Paul consider himself a "sinner"?, How many of which disciples/apostles think of themselves as sinners...? Are we supposed to think of ourselves or consider ourselves as sinners...? Even after we say we are saved...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Its as some others said.. NO. I think we tend to put the 12/120 so forth in a different light so to speak. Yet they were no different then us. Granted our elder brother Paul got one of if not the biggest revelations ever. To know to see.... one would HAVE to stay humble. I can only look at my life and some of the things the Father has done shown.. you KNOW you are in right standing with God because you believe in Jesus. We can boldly go into the throne..of GOD. We sit in heavenly places.

That being said.. the more He comes around the more I see my self for what I really am and what HE really is. So... not a sinner saved by grace through faith..yet... I fully understand they saying.. chief sinner. least of all of the 12...sayings like that. Think.. its to the LEAST of us that get the greatest things of GOD. We become NOTHING so He is everything. We just tend to stop at the WORD "I am a sinner" its SO MUCH deeper than that.

 

[Neogaia777]

Its as some others said.. NO. I think we tend to put the 12/120 so forth in a different light so to speak. Yet they were no different then us. Granted our elder brother Paul got one of if not the biggest revelations ever. To know to see.... one would HAVE to stay humble. I can only look at my life and some of the things the Father has done shown.. you KNOW you are in right standing with God because you believe in Jesus. We can boldly go into the throne..of GOD. We sit in heavenly places.

That being said.. the more He comes around the more I see my self for what I really am and what HE really is. So... not a sinner saved by grace through faith..yet... I fully understand they saying.. chief sinner. least of all of the 12...sayings like that. Think.. its to the LEAST of us that get the greatest things of GOD. We become NOTHING so He is everything. We just tend to stop at the WORD "I am a sinner" its SO MUCH deeper than that.

Oh I'm a beautiful, glorious, creation of God Almighty, but, I still do sin sometimes...

What does that mean...?

God Bless!

 

[1stcenturylady]

No, no one has sold me a bill of goods. My beliefs are perfectly in line with scripture. You are, of course, entitled to your own interpretation of scripture.

Oh, still waiting for you to answer my questions. Still waiting for you to explain your false accusation that I was judging you.

It wasn't a false accusation. You just don't want to admit you were judging. Your preconceived idea that I must willfully sin is a judgment. Your wanting me to adhere to your checklist is your own standard. You have no idea what I do, but I know you would be surprised.

1 John 3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

Sin and the Child of God
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

The Imperative of Love
10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

The Outworking of Love
16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave use commandment.

The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[JIMINZ]

While we remain on earth we remain in a body wanting to sin. But.. we will be saved from having to follow the ways of the flesh by obedience to learning and truth about the Filling of the Spirit. The power of God's grace is what saves us from having to sin.

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Are you able to produce the Scripture where is says what you have just claimed?

 

[JIMINZ]

Just trying to get on track here, you said.

Christians don't commit willful sin? So you have never become upset with someone because of what they did only to later learn that they were in the right and you were wrong? That is willful on your part.

From what you said, I can only assume, your of the impression that getting upset is a sin?

If what you say is in fact sin, why then did Paul say.

Eph. 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

It isn't in the being Angry / Upset, it's being in what follows that anger, it's what a person does after the anger is there, does he follow up on it, does he do something back in retribution, vengeance, that is where the sin resides.

If your going to categorize sin, with all of it's degrees, then at least get a handle on what sin is.

By the way do you understand what the Definition of sin actually is?

I'll give you a hint, it isn't found in a definition of the word SIN, it is what the bible itself says sin is.

 

[Rescued One]

So once we're born again we NEVER, NEVER sin? I guess people believe the new birth takes place when we die.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Rescued One]

Here is what I truly believe:

According to the Westminster Shorter Catechism (Q. 35), sanctification is “the work of God’s free grace, whereby we are renewed in the whole man after the image of God, and are enabled more and more to die unto sin, and live unto righteousness.” It is a continuing change worked by God in us, freeing us from sinful habits and forming in us Christlike affections, dispositions, and virtues. It does not mean that sin is instantly eradicated, but it is also more than a counteraction, in which sin is merely restrained or repressed without being progressively destroyed. Sanctification is a real transformation, not just the appearance of one.
What is Sanctification?

 

[JIMINZ]

In my mind if you say your not a sinner or do not ever sin, then your a hypocrite...but we must be very careful in/with judging, and speak the truth in love, and meekly and mildly when we are trying to help someone with sin... And pick and choose your battles... Do not rush into correcting, or to hastily judging or criticizing, and especially not condemning, anyone...

God Bless!

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Do you mean like, if I called someone a Hypocrite, because they have more light in their candle than I do, is it that type of thing you mean when you say hastily correcting, criticizing, judging, condemning.

 

[JacksBratt]

In other words people are supposed to strive to not sin...and in order to do that it helps a lot if you don't declare you're a sinner...don't forget we also have life and death at the tounque. And so a man thinketh so is he.

Sorry friend, but I must totally disagree.

It is imperative that we admit that we are still sinners and declare it. Anything but is living a false life. Which is a sin.

Admitting our shortcomings is paramount to striving to improve and walk a closer life to that which Jesus lived. Ever knowing that it is impossible, so that we don't get discouraged... but still, with the strength of Christ, striving to be more that way.

 

[JIMINZ]

So once we're born again we NEVER, NEVER sin? I guess people believe the new birth takes place when we die.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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In all honesty your right, you can ONLY become Born Again when you die.

When do you believe we become Born Again?

 

[JacksBratt]

Saying that All have sinned, is very different from saying that all will sin after being born from above. We have pull scriptures out that seem to verify every view there is out there. What God says is most important.

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? How can we that are dead to sin, live any longer there in?

There have been a few posts here that list a number of sins that we do, all the time. Covet, sluggard, lie, selfish acts or thoughts, unrighteous anger, holding a grudge, eating too much....

The list goes on.

I would really like to walk with you in a day and observe this sinless life...... I really believe that you are blind to the sins you commit.

I am a Christian and I am still a sinner. Christ still loves me and if I die right after I sin.... I will be with Him, prostrate to the ground in shame and reverent respect.
He will smile and pick me up and invite me to the Paradise that is prepared for us.

 

[Rescued One]

I was born again when God quickened/regenerated me and gave me His Spirit.

Ephesians 2
1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

 

[JacksBratt]

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In all honesty your right, you can ONLY become Born Again when you die.

When do you believe we become Born Again?

I believe that our eternal life starts the moment we are saved.

We may die an earthly death but it will only be a transition from this loathsome earth.... to a place of Paradise and overwhelming love.

That is what it means when it is said "death, where is your sting?"...

We are already children of God, born again, new creatures, in Christ Jesus.

 

[RaymondG]

In my mind if you say your not a sinner or do not ever sin, then your a hypocrite...

But we can't and won't let that be a reason to be all defeated and give into sin, we still are to strive for the mark, sometimes it does not matter that we never fully achieve our goal, the effort, or journey in resisting sin and doing away with as much sin as possible, "yields it's own rewards", the kind of rewards God wants you to have... The good news is those rewards, come "along with" your fight/struggle with sin, not only at the end of it, but throughout the path and journey along the way, you get benefits that no riches can buy you...

No one will tell anyone that they can sin and it's OK, but we must be very careful in/with judging, and speak the truth in love, and meekly and mildly when we are trying to help someone with sin... And pick and choose your battles... Do not rush into correcting, or to hastily judging or criticizing, and especially not condemning, anyone...

God Bless!

I guess we should add that to the list of things required to be a Christian: One must admit to being a sinner and never stop sinning.

 

[RaymondG]

There have been a few posts here that list a number of sins that we do, all the time. Covet, sluggard, lie, selfish acts or thoughts, unrighteous anger, holding a grudge, eating too much....

The list goes on.

I would really like to walk with you in a day and observe this sinless life...... I really believe that you are blind to the sins you commit.

I am a Christian and I am still a sinner. Christ still loves me and if I die right after I sin.... I will be with Him, prostrate to the ground in shame and reverent respect.
He will smile and pick me up and invite me to the Paradise that is prepared for us.

I never spoke of myself being or doing anything, nor would I. You say you are a sinner and you sin all the time. I believe you and I do not condemn you. Why is it so hard to show me the same courtesy?

Will I only be accepted as Christian if I say I will continue to be a sinner after being filled with the spirit? This requirement to believe I have to continue to sin, is new to me.

I wonder if other religions require this as well.

 

[Neogaia777]

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Do you mean like, if I called someone a Hypocrite, because they have more light in their candle than I do, is it that type of thing you mean when you say hastily correcting, criticizing, judging, condemning.

I did not mean to say it in a necessarily negative way, but, whatever...? I meant any of us, each equally, would be a hypocrite...

God Bless!

 

[shaheem white]

All sin breaks fellowship with God. For God can not be one with us when we sin.

Thanks for your feedback.. God Bless

 

[JIMINZ]

I am a Christian and I am still a sinner.

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Being a Christian and a Sinner is an Oxymoron.

 

[JacksBratt]

I never spoke of myself being or doing anything, nor would I. You say you are a sinner and you sin all the time. I believe you and I do not condemn you. Why is it so hard to show me the same courtesy?

Will I only be accepted as Christian if I say I will continue to be a sinner after being filled with the spirit? This requirement to believe I have to continue to sin, is new to me.

I wonder if other religions require this as well.

You will only be being truthful if you accept that you still sin. I have not known, met, heard of or expect to see any human, besides Christ, that can live in this world and not sin.... Christian or not. I also don't condemn them for their life and their actions in it.

However, to continually profess to live on this earth and not sin.... that is a tall tall tall statement to live up to. And, IMO, it is impossible.

I don't doubt for a moment that you are a Christian with great intensions. When the role is called up yonder, you will be there, as will I.

As I have said on this forum many times.... when we get to glory, look me up and we can sit under the tree of life and laugh about all the things, in this life, that we were wrong about but thought we were so right.

 

[JacksBratt]

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Being a Christian and a Sinner is an Oxymoron.

Saying you never sin anymore, because you are a Christian is a stumbling block to those who will never give it a chance due to the wisdom they have about never being able to live a life where they don't sin... so.... they don't attempt it.

Non Christians need to know that being saved does not mean that they become little angels and stop drinking, swearing, lying, drugs, and a whole myriad of sins........in an instant.

We come to Christ as little baby Christians... Christians just the same... a changed heart and a changed destination when we die...

But, we grow, we start with the milk of scripture and we mature into the meat...

We gradually lose the desires we had before and become righteous in the process of seeking righteousness.

If you tell a non-believer that when they are saved and have the Holy Spirit living in their heart... that they will never sin again..... that's a bar set way way way to high.

Jesus never expected that... He said come as you are.